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Chinese Shirogorov clone
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I'm not gonna wish death or harm on someone for buying a clone that's just silly and taking it a little too far IMO.
Is it wrong? Absolutely IMO. I don't like it ,dont support it and wish anyone producing these knives could be shut down and subject to copy right laws.
Saying that folks that buy these knives should get cancer or crotch rot is pushing it .
Is it wrong? Absolutely IMO. I don't like it ,dont support it and wish anyone producing these knives could be shut down and subject to copy right laws.
Saying that folks that buy these knives should get cancer or crotch rot is pushing it .
I am not in favor of counterfeiting, but I think it is possible that some people's hobby isn't exactly the same as other people's. There does seem to be the unspoken assumption that the appreciation of knives on this forum is somewhat uniform, and obvious.
It is illuminating to go to a forum like EDC where people love knives but aren't sentimental about copying, or Multitool, where they delight in tearing apart SAKs or Leathermans to make weird hybrids. Despite the size of BF, it is still a pretty narrow slice of the hobby.
All of this also seems strange after frequenting firearms boards where everyone owns 1911s that aren't Colts, AR-15s that aren't (also) Colts, and Brazilian copies of Italian copies of German Walthers.
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I don't support counterfeiting. Its bad for the community. But I won't wish ill will like others have upon those who make poor purchases.
I do really like sanrenmu's sebenza copy. I detest that its a clone. But its an incredible knife for $10.
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I hope you aren't referring to my post as I don't wish any ill will on anybody. I also think those talking about Karma don't actually mean it like that either, but I don't speak for them.
I also don't care what other forums for other hobbies do/say or what they have accepted as normal. I'm passionate about knives and respect those who design them. I won't slap them in the face by supporting those who steal from them. Simple.
A kimber ,Taurus ,rock island etc. 1911 is not a clone . If folks were carrying pistols with a colt logo and represented to be a colt but were really a knock off that's more in line of counterfeit knIves . It's been said on here before Chinese like Kizer or reate came out wondering why the Chinese didn't make their own designs since they have the technology to make copies as spot on as they are . It's when these companies steal trademarked logos and make fake knives but try to pass them off as the real deal people take issue to them. Just a another note to this post as I stated in other posts I don't do Internet fights. I've read your other posts and not interested in going down that road with you. Just think your misinformed on what a clone is
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Clones and counterfeits are sickening. They're almost as sickening as Blade Forums members who wish harm upon a fellow human being who chooses to buy a clone or a counterfeit. Such an ironic example of lacking a moral compass while defending their moral compass.
Oh well, it helps me know who's opinions I can easily ignore.
Oh well, it helps me know who's opinions I can easily ignore.
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I had thought the OP's knife didn't have a brand name on it, either?
And I'm not interested in changing anyone's mind or buying any fakes myself, I just don't get why BF people get so upset about this. It is pretty normal in all industries, and it has been normal in the knife industry forever.
Almost??? I just don't understand this level of rhetoric. Babies aren't starving because of clone knives. No one is.
It's principles of it . You take the time to come up with an original idea , possibly get it patented to protect it . Put up the money to get it going etc. Over here your protected by trademark laws . Other countries and not getting political either but other countries May or may not honor patent and trademark laws.
People may or may not be starving over a counterfeit but if it costs on sale it's basically theft IMO. Like I said if you spent years coming up with am original idea or design . Then that design fed your family ,put your kids through college etc. You may or may not be successful but that's beside the point it's YOUR creation and YOUR business here . All the sudden you see countries with cheap labor making your product . Except the product that looks just like yours is cheaper made with inferior materials and overall may be junk.
Your fake knives make way to the market and people may or may not buy them thinking they are real. There fake knife fails on them and they take to the streets saying how crappy your knives are having never owned a real product you made .
People may or may not be starving over a counterfeit but if it costs on sale it's basically theft IMO. Like I said if you spent years coming up with am original idea or design . Then that design fed your family ,put your kids through college etc. You may or may not be successful but that's beside the point it's YOUR creation and YOUR business here . All the sudden you see countries with cheap labor making your product . Except the product that looks just like yours is cheaper made with inferior materials and overall may be junk.
Your fake knives make way to the market and people may or may not buy them thinking they are real. There fake knife fails on them and they take to the streets saying how crappy your knives are having never owned a real product you made .
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I'd say the almost was more sarcastic than rhetorical. Realistically, to any sound mind, the gap between the wrong of a clone knife and the wrong of hoping for ill for another human are significant and dissimilar. I'm continually amazed that a person can be so morally deficient as to not see the difference and still be respected within our community.
I think, at least this one time, you and I are kinda on the same side
.Happens all the time people saying xxx knife is garbage ! Only to find out what they have is a knockoff they bought as real. I agree and said it before wishing harm for buying a knock off is distasteful to me an blowing it way out of proportion. I don't like it might at all ,wish the ones doing it were subject to the laws protecting the original makers . To say if you buy a counterfeit you deserve to die is taking it way to seriously though.
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Let's not get too caught up in taking rhetoric too literally. I doubt anyone honestly wishes me or other members genuine bodily harm for having purchased clones in the past - that kind of thinking should be reserved for those who knowingly resell them as the genuine article 
That said, realistically, even if they did wish real harm, it's a wish and thus of no value or substance. It's like getting upset with someone because they -wish- North Korea would just be wiped off the face of the earth. It's not reasonable or morally right, but it's also not going to happen just because someone wishes it so with their true heart of hearts.
Opinions and wishes - debatable but of no threat to anyone. People can wish I would fall down a flight of stairs for my DOC clone that I'm gifting to my co-worker (keeping one so we can be twinsies), and I will be blissfully unaware of their ill wishes.
That said, realistically, even if they did wish real harm, it's a wish and thus of no value or substance. It's like getting upset with someone because they -wish- North Korea would just be wiped off the face of the earth. It's not reasonable or morally right, but it's also not going to happen just because someone wishes it so with their true heart of hearts.
Opinions and wishes - debatable but of no threat to anyone. People can wish I would fall down a flight of stairs for my DOC clone that I'm gifting to my co-worker (keeping one so we can be twinsies), and I will be blissfully unaware of their ill wishes.
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Please don't misunderstand me. Clones = bad. Don't buy them. For the most part, they're bad for the industry. You can't say they're unequivocally bad due to the rare instance that a clone purchase actually leads to the purchase of the Real Thing...but, yeah, 95% of the time clones are bad for the industry. They steal money, they confuse users, they burgle ideas and stifle innovation.
However, IF you happen to choose to buy one, that doesn't make you deserving of venereal disease, cancer or bad karma. That's just misplaced morality.
In a nutshell:
Clones = bad
People preaching morality whilst violating morality = worse
I wasn't referring to you. I think you and I are on the same page here.
Are you selling the Strider because of stolen valor, as well?
My sales have nothing to do with you or especially a Chinese clone. I've already told you I'm not going down this road with you
Sorry - I thought you were taking a general moral stand, and that was part of it.