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Chinook,Gunting,Temperence,which one will you go for?
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Thank you James!
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Jody is right.The Gunting is the pick of the litter.For the formites that enjoy Kubotan/Yawara sticks,you can't beat this blade design.It gives you the option to use it as an impact tool great for pressure points, trapping or takedowns.If the situation goes really sour, you can always move up the "Use of force" ladder and employ the blade.Another nice feature about this knife is that the blade is 3 inches long.Although the appearance of the knife is unusual,it will probably meet the "carry" legalities almost anywhere.
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Question about that. With the projection on the top of the blade, the Gunting looks like it will penetrate on thrusts maybe 2", perhaps a little more. While I certainly don't want anyone stabbing me with a Gunting, is that enough penetration? Is the Gunting considered good for thrusting, or primarily a slicer?
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Joe,
In my opinion 2" penetration in thrust is far too little to incapacitate your opponent rapidly. Heavy clothing can reduce this penetration pretty noticeably. In comparison with firearm projectile, the lack of impact effect and the lack of temporary cavity make this wound maybe dangerous (depending on place the blade would hit) but no way immediately stopping.
Please take into consideration than thrusting with the knife you are almost unarmed in the thrust moment and quite sensitive to your opponent retaliatory action.
When your opponent see your offensive movement he should take some defensive action, this is natural and you are counting on this, right? But I saw situations when fellows (especially being under alcohol or drug influence) are behaving quite unnaturally in hand-to-hand combat. Seeing your offensive movement he can take counter-offensive instead of caring to defensive.
This is very dangerous situation especially if your offensive is not completely efficient...
In my opinion 2" penetration in thrust is far too little to incapacitate your opponent rapidly. Heavy clothing can reduce this penetration pretty noticeably. In comparison with firearm projectile, the lack of impact effect and the lack of temporary cavity make this wound maybe dangerous (depending on place the blade would hit) but no way immediately stopping.
Please take into consideration than thrusting with the knife you are almost unarmed in the thrust moment and quite sensitive to your opponent retaliatory action.
When your opponent see your offensive movement he should take some defensive action, this is natural and you are counting on this, right? But I saw situations when fellows (especially being under alcohol or drug influence) are behaving quite unnaturally in hand-to-hand combat. Seeing your offensive movement he can take counter-offensive instead of caring to defensive.
This is very dangerous situation especially if your offensive is not completely efficient...
It wasn't designed to terminate an opponent though if you really use steel than ANY blade is long enough..
Thrusting ( not stabbing) to a limb or other patt works fine exspecially when the rotation turns to cutting turns back to thrusting..
If you do biomechanical stoppage, termination or stopping with a BODY thrust is a moot point.
I designed a "watershed" tactical folder..it works closed..then it opens but can still function as closed and then OPEN it operates as open....
2-3 inches of penetration ARE alot....
Use a tool properly and its function excells
Thrusting ( not stabbing) to a limb or other patt works fine exspecially when the rotation turns to cutting turns back to thrusting..
If you do biomechanical stoppage, termination or stopping with a BODY thrust is a moot point.
I designed a "watershed" tactical folder..it works closed..then it opens but can still function as closed and then OPEN it operates as open....
2-3 inches of penetration ARE alot....
Use a tool properly and its function excells
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Frank,
I have expressed my opinion according Joe's question only.
I do not discussing with your conception because I'm not sure I have understood it properly. Maybe I will understand it better when I will see video (hope it'll be soon). Then we could discuss...
So far I can say only that my conception of deadly weapon use is quite simple: if the situation does not justify opponent's kill - don't reach your deadly weapon!
With no exceptions.
[This message has been edited by Sergiusz Mitin (edited 09-13-2000).]
I have expressed my opinion according Joe's question only.
I do not discussing with your conception because I'm not sure I have understood it properly. Maybe I will understand it better when I will see video (hope it'll be soon). Then we could discuss...
So far I can say only that my conception of deadly weapon use is quite simple: if the situation does not justify opponent's kill - don't reach your deadly weapon!
With no exceptions.
[This message has been edited by Sergiusz Mitin (edited 09-13-2000).]
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Bram,
Maybe I'm a little slow today, but you lost me here.
Thanks.
Dave.
[This message has been edited by Dave Fulton (edited 09-13-2000).]
Joe,
The knife was designed with all the legalities in mind.It is most likely legal to carry just about anywhere.The blade shape looks different because of the horn, but the blade is still only 3" long.
This piece is like the "Glock" of the knife world.It's shape is not what you would expect in a folder.There is a reason for every "nook and cranny" of this knife.If you watch the Gunting tapes, you will see the value of Bram's biomechanical cutting.The techniques "Shut down" the asailiant's delivery system.He is left in a position where he can yell at you,but he can no longer use his hands or legs to hurt you.
A lot of time went into the design and technique development of this personal defense tool.When used properly, I believe the Gunting will prove itself to be the most court defensible knife ever made.
P.S. Buy the tape set.You will sit there mumbling, "Why didn't I think of that!".
The knife was designed with all the legalities in mind.It is most likely legal to carry just about anywhere.The blade shape looks different because of the horn, but the blade is still only 3" long.
This piece is like the "Glock" of the knife world.It's shape is not what you would expect in a folder.There is a reason for every "nook and cranny" of this knife.If you watch the Gunting tapes, you will see the value of Bram's biomechanical cutting.The techniques "Shut down" the asailiant's delivery system.He is left in a position where he can yell at you,but he can no longer use his hands or legs to hurt you.
A lot of time went into the design and technique development of this personal defense tool.When used properly, I believe the Gunting will prove itself to be the most court defensible knife ever made.
P.S. Buy the tape set.You will sit there mumbling, "Why didn't I think of that!".
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Tough decision. I really like the concept of the Gunting, but ended up ordering the Chinook. There is a Gunting in my future though.
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Dave: I obviously had a VERY bad typing / spelling day ...GADS!
Ok What I meant was that thrusting ( cutting with the tip) turns easily into cutting upon contact and at the end of its rotation is ready to thrust in again and repeat the cutting angle in reverse...
As for use of a deadly weapon..well its not deadly till the blade is engaged..up till then its an impact tool...then its an edged tool that has possible lethal response.SO I reach for it right away...
The Gunting has a three inch blade which allows for enough penetration but there is no such thing as just thrusting in my book..Thats going back to what I was refering to with Dave..Thrusting becomes cutting becomes thrusting...
a thrust can be an "enganyo" or fake, a set up to gain a bridge or attachment to cut on...
I still stick with my GUNTING..LOL!
Ok What I meant was that thrusting ( cutting with the tip) turns easily into cutting upon contact and at the end of its rotation is ready to thrust in again and repeat the cutting angle in reverse...
As for use of a deadly weapon..well its not deadly till the blade is engaged..up till then its an impact tool...then its an edged tool that has possible lethal response.SO I reach for it right away...
The Gunting has a three inch blade which allows for enough penetration but there is no such thing as just thrusting in my book..Thats going back to what I was refering to with Dave..Thrusting becomes cutting becomes thrusting...
a thrust can be an "enganyo" or fake, a set up to gain a bridge or attachment to cut on...
I still stick with my GUNTING..LOL!