Chiruwa Ang Khola

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i've been hankering for a kukri for a long time, ever since seeing my grandfather's, which he traded for with an aussie while in the philippines back in wwii.
anyhow, i'd always heard that HI was the way to go, so i waited around until the right deal came along.
i scanned the HI website and decided i wanted a chiruwa ang khola.
so, when the "deals for 6/10" came along and i saw this:

16.5 inch 31 ounce chiruwa Ang Khola by Vim Kami. Horn handle. Strong and steady Knife at $100 even.

... i figured i'd better jump on it.
yangdu was very pleasant and easy to work with.
i shelled out my dough and waited.
today, i went to the post office and picked up the huge triangular box and hauled ass home to tear it open.

now, let me preface this by saying i have a huge respect and admiration for so-called "primitive" or "ethnic" blades.
i've owned several from thailand, java, indonesia, etc. and i've come to expect a different kind of fit and finish from these things, especially since some of them were made without any power tools at all (a fact that absolutely boggles my mind).
and, after hearing about HI's reputation, i developed a vision in my head about what to expect.

the verdict?
well...
the first thing i noticed was that the two little knives accompanying the kukri wouldn't stay in the sheath no matter what.
there was absolutely no way i could wear this thing out in the boonies without losing those two.
and, the fit and finish of those two little things... ugh.
seriously, they look like they were made by little kids.
but, i didn't sweat it, since i didn't shell out my money for those two little things - it's the big boy i'm interested in seeing!
let me tell you, folks - until you heft a 2 pound knife, you really can't appreciate how burly this thing is.
it really is a monster.
i just stood there and stared at it for a while.
just from a design standpoint, this is one of the most impressive knives i've ever seen.
to call it a "knife" even seems a little inappropriate.
it's just plain scary to hold this much potential mayhem in your hands!
the edge on the kukri was very poor, but i figured i'd see how it performed "out of the box."
so, without too much further scrutiny, i decided to go outside and abuse an old dead elm tree that has become my de facto crash test dummy for big-ass knives.
just a couple of days ago, i had whacked out a nice big chunk using my preferred chopper, a valiant golok kelapa.
after a few light test swings to figure out the technique and sweet spot, i took a couple of whacks with the kukri.
i was utterly astonished at the massive chunks of wood flying off the trunk!
it became readily apparent that, even in my amateur hands, this blade could easily take a limb or head off a person with one swipe.
no wonder these were so feared and respected on the battlefield!
my curiosity satisfied, i went back inside to give it a closer inspection.

upon closer inspection, i was pretty disappointed with the fit and finish of the kukri.
i guess i've been lucky, but the quality of all the ethnic knives i've collected over the years far surpass this one - and it isn't really even close.
maybe "vim kami" is one of the less-experienced makers at HI, i don't know.
everything about this knife seems sloppy.
nothing seems to really fit together.
there are lots of dents, gaps, and other blemishes all over this thing.
i expected something on par with valiant quality, but this is strictly amateur by comparison.
i also noticed a crack developing on the brass ferrule/guard/whatever you might call it) - after only a couple of whacks on a tree!
as well as this knife performed, there's no way it will withstand much serious work without splitting that brass fixture.
there was also some rolling and chipping on the blade edge, which i've never encountered on any of my choppers, even after much more abuse than this one took.

in the end, it's a very impressive piece of steel, in terms of design and function.
it really is a chopping monster.
however, the fit and finish of this piece was just a total letdown.
this kukri isn't worth $100, and i doubt i'll take a chance on HI again.
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DOTD knives often don't have the same fit and finish as custom order knives.
The trade off is that you get it cheaper and quicker.
 
I understand your disappointment, I recently had the same thing happen with a Valiant blade which was far below par in my opinion. It was sent straight back. It is very disappointing when our expectations are not met .

I would suggest that you contact Yangdu.
 
Hm, that's odd. Vim is usually known for makin very precise, well-fitted khuks. Maybe he was drunk that day? I seem to remember one time some of the kamis got drunk, made some... I forget what model, and shipped them, and Uncle Bill really gave them an earful after he opened the crate! The story went something like that, anyway.

If the edge rolled and chipped from chopping dead wood, I would definitely contact Yangdu. It sounds like you got a bona fide lemon, all around.
 
Send the CAK from 6/10 DOTD back to HI and I will refund your money, no unhappy customer!

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The response above is why I buy HI.

No questions and just send back, ain't that nice. With this you might wanna give another a shot, perhaps one you got was a lemon. I know my Bonecutter from almost 2 years ago is still chopping rainforest branches and I think I forgot to sharpen it till now :)
 
Sorry to hear of your problems and disappointment,mito0.
I assure you that this is not typical for H.I. khukuri.
If you would prefer a replacement instead of a refund, Contact Auntie Yangdu at himimp@aol.com to discuss it with her.
 
I would be very interested in seeing this knife, it must be a anomaly, it has been my experience that even with the blems I have purchased that HI's fit and finish is better than most production knives.
 
Owning six blades made by Vim, I can only say even the best Kami's (and I rate Vim as one of these) can have a bad day.

I suggest trying another HI khuk before abandoning these usually awesome products entirely as if you are unhappy with it no doubt you will be able to return it thanks to Yangdu's customer satisfaction policy. :thumbup:
 
I'm not calling what you are saying into question, berating you, or otherwise (people sometimes take me wrong), and I'm not excusing anything if it was, indeed, a sahbby piece.

1.) The Karda and Chakmak (knife and sharpening steel) are made by apprentices. Depending on how new or how skilled the apprentice, you'll get something totally atrocious, all the way up to something that would make a very fine knife by itself. So, yeah, that happens. Most of the ones I have, I never even bothered using. But, I'd rather the apprentice cut hi teeth on that, than a kukri.

2.) I've found that with polished blades, there's a layer of soft metal. Often when I get a user blade, I'll file away this soft metal (since yes, the polished models are usually dull, villager models usually are sharp) until the file skates (i.e. file won't bite into the metal), and then move to stones and strops after that.

I personally prefer wood over horn for users, as I think it holds up better, and as a general rule, wood will handle shifts in humidity much better than horn.

I'd urge you to give HI another chance, but if you don't want to, we understand.
 
Nothing more to say, everyone has said all that needs to be said. Except for one thing. You want a better khukri, go to HI's web site and buy a full price version, instead of the DOTD (Deal of the Day) The DOTD used to be called something else, but I seem to be suffering from CRS (Can't Remember S***) and don't recall what it was. I have bought most of my Nepali blades on DOTD's and have found one or two handles that could have been done better. But I just did the necessary fixes myself because the blade itself was excellent. And most of mine have had the sheath redone, removing the karda and chakma holders completely, as I prefer the way they hang better that way.
And again, HI's customer service is THE best in the business, and better than most any others in ANY business.

Bill
 
Well, sometimes you win, sometime you loose on the DOtD blades, they are sold as is and I haven't been too disappointed yet on any of them. I have gotten one or two I felt were pretty sad but for the most part I was made happy by Yangdu. I was only told to contact the PO and file an insurance claim once instead of getting the reply you just got, so I let it go. The PO simply denied responsibility and I was essentially left with the dented bolster to deal with on my own... Some day I will just sell it at a loss and call it a lesson learned. Other than that one though, I haven't ever had a bad thing happen with a single HI item and Yangdu has always made thing right if something was wrong. So I keep coming back for more because I simply can't find this level of quality anywhere else for the same price.
 
I have 3 of Vim's blades (18" Sirupati and two M-43s). All are very well done. In my experience, most HI Khukuris don't come very sharp, but they're great once you sharpen them up.
 
Pics.
Never heard of you before. I have no way of weighing your words. A shame you didn't just try a PM or E-mail first.
Guess that's just how it is.

Mark
 
I agree. Bringing it to this forum should've been the last resort. I think contacting Yangdu should've been step No.1. She'll make it right no matter what I'm sure.
 
Without the accusations of drunkenness, it's possible this blemmed AK was made during one of the periods where the shop was having problems due to the political unrest in their country and they just tried to do the best they could under adverse conditions.
 
Rolling and chipping of the edge surprises me. You said it was a poor edge to begin with yet it chopped well...hmmm.
What you've identified as a split in the brass may be the solder line.
Vim is an old timer and in my experience his khuks have above-average fit/finish.
 
I argee you should have talked to Yangdu first before bringing this too the forums. That being said I have a villager finnish DOTD WW2 by Vim and it's a tank. Either way Yangdu has offered to refund you so you should at least get your money back but I wouldn't blow off HI stuff just yet. As with any company that sells something, a fluke is allways gonna get past QC every once in awhile. HI knives are easily some of the toughest knives I've handled and Yangdu is one of the nicest people I've ever done buisness with.
 
mito0: You may want to take a look at the thread in my sig. Sorry guys, but the poor quality of the khuk I got from HI's DOTD has soured me off them. For the money I paid, I expected much more. I'd like to see pics of your khukuri mito0!

If it was a fluke or a one off, fine, but it shouldn't have been sold. If I get food poisoning at a restaurant, I'm not going back.

Would mito0 get his money back for the return shipping too? If so, I'd like to return my Kobra too.
 
A .01% Failure rate is 100% to the person it happens to. And it is said that for every 10 satisfied customers who stay silent you have 1 unhappy customer that is vocal in their displeasure. The offer has been extended to “make it right” in both cases. Thats good enough for me.
I don’t have a HI Khuk yet so I don’t really have a dog in this fight but I have made & heat treated carbon steel blades and fitted pins and handles. It is certainly harder to properly heat treat a blade than it is to avoid giving your dinner guests food poisoning.
 
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