Chisel.

i have carried RH CG's and left hand CG's and it doesnt really matter much, it was a non issue for me.

none of the emersons are a std "V" grind, call it what ya may.

not that there is anything at all wrong with EKI grinds, they are my favorite knives, but if ya must have a std "V" grind & are not willing to give the CG a chance then ya should look elsewhere imho.

personally, i think for other than certain fine cutting or whittling it doesnt matter much, usually when i need to cut something (like with a utility knife) all i need is a sharp edge and any sharp edge will do, i edc'd a CG SOCFK for over a yr and was fine with it and never thought once "gee i wish i had my spyderco delica for this job".
 
To see a real chisel grind, look at a chisel. I have some Buck ionfusion blades that are chisel ground. The are inherently twice as sharp as a double bevel because the final edge is twice as acute. If a regular edge is 30 degrees, a corresponding chisel edge would be 15 degrees. The edge is more fragile, but the sharpness is getting into razor territory. The chisel edge has more meat behind it than a razor edge. Many Japanese chef knives are chisel ground.
 
The following applies to right handed users (if you are a lefty just reverse everything). For large uniform slices where the pieces are falling away from you, you need a chisel grind on the right side of a large blade. If you are making small controlled cuts where the pieces are coming toward you (like a steak), you need a chisel grind on the left side of the small blade. Don't ask me which way is up.
 
just for fun i took my one side bevel integral deerhunting this year, gutted, skinned (with no nicks this time), and completely butchered my deer on site with it. I can imagine better tools for the butchering, but the first on the list would be a table, not another knife!

The main thing a symmetrical grind does better is straight through-cuts, like halving an apple, or watermelon, and of course for certain types of ballistic cutting it has advantages, but your hands aren't symmetrical, why should your tools be?
 
GlockMonster30 said:
That's a very polite way to answer someone who took the time to give you some info.
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GM, I think he was actually trying to say that he thought the unfinished edge grind on Emerson's traditional V-grind knives was dumb, not that the information provided was dumb.;)
 
ya know, another thing CG's arent so great for, imho, is dressing game, larger game anyway, they dont work the best for that, they will work mind ya, just not the best.

my bud dressed a buck last season with a CQC7b and though it did work he told me he wished he woulda had his old buck 11o vs the '7 for the job.

why did he use a '7 to begin with?

his son was supposed to put a bag in the truck with his dressing kit in it (ie couple of fixed blades, the 110, a saw, sharpening stones, etc) and his son being all excited to be going hunting forgot............the only quality knife they had was dads '7b so they had to make do with what they had to make do with.
 
Insomniac1122 said:
..i loathe chisel grinds and i want to make sure i dont buy a knife with a chisel grind.
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Insomniac1122 said:
...Hmm..maybe they are worth the grind.
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Haha, that wasn't too hard lol. If I remember correctly, I believe they will put your typical v grind on them...for an additional fee of course. Might want to check into that though to be sure. Of course you could always do it yourself if you really want it. I'm a bit mixed on it. It "feels" odd at times -can tell shaving wood if you compare side by side to traditional. However it cuts like any other anytime I use it. Might be more mental for me. Recently noticed one thing it seemed to do different and that's the way it cuts free hanging rope (diagonal cut) really grabs with little effort, kind of pulls the blade in. I do wish the grind was on the "right" side of the blade as I'm right handed and prefer it that way.
 
IIRC the only Emersons that actually have a chisel grind (flat on one side ground on the other) are the
CQC-7 Models, Karambit Fixed Blade, Combat/Super Karambit, La Griffe, Raven B, Police Sark Knife.
There are one or two others like the chisel commanders but they are not standard production knives.

The rest of the knives are V ground but have that single edge bevel, that seems to cause all the confusion and debate.
 
Lycosa said:
Not true. ^^^ Both can be made equally sharp.
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Actually it IS true, because if you take some basic math and divide whatever angle your v-grind is by half, you'll get the equivalent chisel grind (twice as sharp with half the resistance).
 
stoffi said:
Actually it IS true, because if you take some basic math and divide whatever angle your v-grind is by half, you'll get the equivalent chisel grind (twice as sharp with half the resistance).
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I think you and lycosa are talking about 2 different things... yes if you slice a 40 degree edged knife in half you get a single bevel edge that is 20 degrees and twice as "sharp", but if you make a v grind that is 10 degrees that is twice as sharp again, and then cut in half to get a 5 degree chisel, but then make a v grind 2.5 degrees, that's sharper, and so on... it's sharp because of the edge geometry, symmetry behind the edge does not effect sharpness
 
Haze said:
IIRC the only Emersons that actually have a chisel grind (flat on one side ground on the other) are the
CQC-7 Models, Karambit Fixed Blade, Combat/Super Karambit, La Griffe, Raven B, Police Sark Knife.
There are one or two others like the chisel commanders but they are not standard production knives.

The rest of the knives are V ground but have that single edge bevel, that seems to cause all the confusion and debate.
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imho ya are 100% correct, but due to the single bevel they all cut and sharpen more like a CG than a V and if i had a nickle for everyone who bought a commander expecting a std V grind, and were disappointed, i could buy a commander lol,

and again, nothing at all wrong with the grind, you know i love the things lol, but a lotta folks get confused by the terminology and start in wanting to regrind it to a std V/etc, dont like the way they cut for whatever reason, etc, i have seen a lotta folks who honestly expected a std V, and if ya expect that, ya will be disappointed.

but, again, they cut just fine for most stuff, the great majority of stuff imho, and once ya get the hang are easier to sharpen, and will get plenty sharp (which a lotta folks simnply dont believe).

the only cure for the confusion would be ernie posting a disclaimer, "none of these knives are a traditional "v" grind" or something to that effect, cause it is confusing, heck it confused me for a while lol.
 
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