Chris Reeve Green Beret Video Desrtuction Test Completed

[Lycosa]

Because A-2 is an "old" steel. New broom, sweeps clean. In this case, S30V was a poor choice.

 

[yoda4561]

Really the most likely reason but since these aren't United Cutlery wall hangers I was really hoping for better.

 

[hardheart]

I don't see where all the calls for standardization comes from. There are countless threads asking for suggestions/recommendations, and 99.9% of responses come from someone who has 'tested' a sample size of exactly one, has not determined a point of failure, and provides no means for others to observe the use/test. Noss can break knives if he wants to. Others can choose to make purchasing decisions off of his videos if they want to. And yet another group can complain about them if they want to. Bless the internet and the bounty it provides us.

 

[JTR357]

I can mention a host of steels that would have passed the test. Even Cold steel did better. INFI, cpm3V, A2, S7, 52100, laminated VG10, would have done better, by a huge margin. But hey, I am not the one who makes those decisions and most of those decisions made are made by the politician type in an organization.

+1 on that one:thumbup:

I watched the test on the Fallkniven A1.That thing is freakin tough!!

I'd still like to see a Fehrmen or ZT0100 put thru the destruction test.

 

[Buffalohump]

Like many here I was disappointed by the results of this test, but I too have to wonder why CRK did not simply stick with A2, a proven performer.

Particularly as the GB is coated with a rust retarding substance just like the one piece series, despite S30V's so-called increased corrosion resistance.

Of course at the time it was being touted as the new wonder steel, and the market was demanding that it be used in knives.

I seem to recall a few years back it was ATS-34. I wonder what happened to that?

 

[knarfeng]

I don't see where all the calls for standardization comes from. There are countless threads asking for suggestions/recommendations, and 99.9% of responses come from someone who has 'tested' a sample size of exactly one, has not determined a point of failure, and provides no means for others to observe the use/test. Noss can break knives if he wants to. Others can choose to make purchasing decisions off of his videos if they want to. And yet another group can complain about them if they want to. Bless the internet and the bounty it provides us.

Yea, verily, and Amen.

Pass the popcorn.

 

[Lycosa]

Gentlemen---It's the same old pattern here. The NEW knife steel jumps way out in front of the pack. If the steel is good, it holds it's own until there is a better performer. I remember this: 440-C, 154CM, ATS-34, BG-42 and now, S30V. Look at the last steel poll on BF. What steel was most popular---S30V! It's the same old story. And then there is INFI. lol.

 

[aceofblades]

I emailed CRK yesterday to see their opinion on this. Here is the response I got
Joe,



Thank you for the information. It is interesting. Please give us a few days to formulate a response as the Reeve’s are out of town and I would hate to speculate on the test. I will either get back to you or we may decide to post a response because I’m sure others will inquire about it as well. I am glad you are happy with your Project. It is a wonderful knife and should serve you well.

We will “speak” soon.


Kind regards,

Heather

I'm Looking forward to their response!

 

[PatriotDan]

Cobalt and Yoda, thanks for the thoughts. Im no expert on the matter of knife steel or knife design.

We can only quess how exactly SF chose this knife and the steel with it. It is entirely possible that they didn't even notice the steel other than it was at the time newest baddest stainless steel. Harsey I believe mentioned that it was chosen among 100 or so applicants. I agree that INFI would be top choice. But it is unfortunately not publicly available to knife manufacturers.

One more thing, even Randall Knives come in stainless.

 

[PatriotDan]

From the Randall Knives FAQ:
01 carbon tool steel or Stainless -- Should I order my knife with a stainless steel blade or carbon tool steel blade?

That's one of the most common questions we get. We feel that high carbon tool steel holds a better edge by about 10 percent and it's much easier to hone. Stainless, however, is more resistant to corrosion and staining, so it's generally the better choice for use in humid or saltwater conditions. Consider how frequently you'll use and hone your knife--and where you'll use it--then decide which material is best for you.

 

[wccl]

Green Berets are strong guys. They can easy carry on the mission:
1. A "strong knife" designed for cutting (Like the GB )
2. A hatchet for chopping
3. A shovel for digging
4. A pry-bar for prying
5. A small jack hammer for bricks or concrete
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7.

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Or they can just have one tested and proven knife that can do all of the above (maybe not as well as tools listed) not brake and still be used if needed as a weapon as well as a tool.

 

[Evil Eye Earl]

Green Berets are strong guys. They can easy carry on the mission:
1. A "strong knife" designed for cutting (Like the GB )
2. A hatchet for chopping
3. A shovel for digging
4. A pry-bar for prying
5. A small jack hammer for bricks or concrete
6
7.

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Or they can just have one tested and proven knife that can do all of the above (maybe not as well as tools listed) and still be used if needed as a weapon as well as a tool.

Or he could have used the $27.00 hammer to bust the concrete blocks....instead of busting knives and wasting several hundreds of $
....BTW hammers come with a warning lable not to strike metals harder
than 40 HRC as it will cause fracturing or chipping.:

 

[CaptInsano]

What data? I do not see a control group. I do not see sample numbers. I see a guy who stuck a knife in a vise and bashed it with a hammer.

There is no control group. All tests are comparative. The sample number would be 1; 2 if you count Stamps similar results. That would constitute 100% more data than you have provided. You simply do not like the data.

If I take a car and pack it with explosives and blow it up does that mean that model will not provide me with good transportation and keep me safe in a crash? I think it means that I have found a way to destroy a car.

How is that remotely comparable?

 

[Hard H2O]

You simply do not like the data.

The test is interesting. I like this kind of stuff on someone elses dime.

Again, what data. There is no data. There is a comparison to be made and conclusions can be drawn. Hard data is lacking.

Can someone take this "test" and 100% duplicate it in another "lab"?

I have said I do not have any data from the other tests. I have read from sources I trust that the knife in question beat out many other knives in repeatable, real world testing.

I have no data and these tests provide no data only observations.

 

[theonew]

The few details we have about the selection process I find very confusing.

This is from usmilitaryknives.com


The background story according to Anne Reeve: "Several months ago, we received a call from our good friend, knife-maker Bill Harsey from Creswell, OR. via legendary knife-maker, Ron Lake, he had been requested by U.S. Army Special Operations Command to design a knife for the U.S. Special Forces, and Bill wanted us to manufacture the knife. Once he had a basic pattern, a very clean, no-nonsense knife, he and Chris refined the details from a manufacturing and function point of view. Prototypes were made and presented, and the selection process began. A myriad of military hoops were jumped! We received invaluable assistance from Bill Strang of Tactical and Survival Specialties, Inc in Harrisonburg, VA and it is through TSSI that the actual sales will be made to the military. Bill, Chris and I visited Ft. Bragg in June and the final details of the project were ironed out. We received the first order for 500 knives in July. The first 300 knives were presented to graduates of "Q" (Qualification) Course on August 23, 2002."

 

[DaveH]

I have no data and these tests provide no data only observations.

No, you have data, you just making up stuff so you can justify ignoring it.

I'd like to hear exactly how these knives where evaluated. Going back to thread linked above, it's never really said.

 

[HoB]

Green Berets are strong guys. They can easy carry on the mission:
1. A "strong knife" designed for cutting (Like the GB )
2. A hatchet for chopping
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You have an interesting idea of knives meant for cutting. If the GB was indeed meant for cutting it wouldn't be looking like it does. Why would you need a .22" stock for cutting... saber ground no less? Noss reported the edge quickly degrading...why is that a feature favorable to a knife designed for cutting? Steel that is run at approx. 55 Rc????
I have a 7" knife that was designed for cutting: it is made from approx. 1/8" stock from high carbon stainless steel at approx. 64Rc with a single bevel at 19 deg to zero edge. THAT is a knife meant for cutting. The GB wasn't.

Face it, advertisement, steel hardness, design: all indicate that the GB was meant to double as a make-shift prybar.

 

[Hard H2O]

No, you have data, you just making up stuff so you can justify ignoring it.

I'd like to hear exactly how these knives where evaluated. Going back to thread linked above, it's never really said.

What have I made up?

I do not trust the "test" performed.

I trust others that have written that the knife beat out a bunch of competitors.

I trust real world tests that are repeatable.

 

[DaveH]

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3538774&postcount=97

A group of 25 current active duty Special Forces Soldiers, hand picked because of their field and combat experience, were involved in making the selection. The "Green Beret" was chosen for having features that were desired more than any other knife they reviewed.

Note what I bolded here, it escaped me the first time I read this. The knife was selected for having features it doesn't seem to sound like the knife was physically tested.

 

[wccl]

Or he could have used the $27.00 hammer to bust the concrete blocks....instead of busting knives and wasting several hundreds of $
....BTW hammers come with a warning lable not to strike metals harder
than 40 HRC as it will cause fracturing or chipping.:

You are correct. Lets add to my list of tools for a Green Beret a cheep hammer, a wet stone cutting saw. Very soon out Green Berets will need to pull trailers with the gear some of which can be replaced by a good strong (really strong, not claimed strong) knife. When you are sitting in your garage, you can easy choose the right tool for the right job, but in the field you cannot carry every tool for every possible situation, so a good knife can replace some of the tools you may need to some degree.