Chris Reeve Green Beret?

[Esav Benyamin]

How much time have you spent in the field, as a soldier, testing this knife in actual hard knife use cutting conditions?

So now you have to be a soldier to be able to evaluate a knife?

I think that there is plenty of evidence that s30v is not the optimal steel for a large fixed blade, and I'm sure Cliff will be along shortly to explain it!

The point is, Mr. Branch's tests are industrial, not practical. This is not the first time he has been critiized for testing which does not reflect the use for which the knife was designed.

I think there is plenty of evidence that no knife is made of the optimal steel for any and all uses it might fill. But we do now have a range of satisfied actual users.

 

[Twindog]

I've had an S30V edge chip badly in real-world conditions that were not all that severe: chopping small branches that were growing across my road. It was not a CRK knife.

I have also had excellent experience with S30V in other knives in real-world conditions -- including a CRK Sebenza.

Instead of criticizing testers for finding problems, the users and promoters of this steel need to get to the bottom of the mystery of why this steel works so well for some and chips -- sometimes badly -- for others.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

The users and promoters of every steel need to get to the bottom of the mystery of why it works so well for some and chips -- sometimes badly -- for others.

The steel is not the whole answer. Heat treat and blade & edge geometry have A LOT to do with it.

When S30V first came out, I'm sure not everyone who used it was aware of all its characteristics and how to get the best from it.

 

[bhyde]

Thank the gods now that we have all chimed in to the weekness of S30v. For gods sake...The last time I went to cut some brass bar stock, I did not reach for my GB, If memory serves me correctly...I took it to a band saw. Use each tool for thier intended purpose.
I think I might have a tool at my work that will chip or severely damage any knife. Personally, if you have this mentality for damaging knives, you probably should stick to the Dark ops brands....for a cheap knife, I supposes the expectations should be on the same level.

 

[muzzleup]

Mr. Bill Harsey phoned me today and what we spoke about is not germain to what I want to say here.
I was so overwhelmed to have a man of his standing and reputation in the knife word to actually call me on the phone.
From our conversation, I am without a doubt that Mr. Harsey absolutly knows what is needed in a knife for our troops in the field and he designs and builds them for that purpose.

Mr. Bill Harsey is a true American Patriot clear to the marrow of his bones and I could tell from talking to him that he wants nothing but the best for our men and women in the survice of our country. Not only did he do the Chris Reeve Green Berets, the Neil Roberts Warrior, but his name also appears on the Gerber Silver Trident that I have.

I wish to thank Mr. Harsey for the phone call and enjoyed withour measure talking to him (kind of like Moses on the Mount for me)! In the future, any knife that has his input and/or name on it will become another one of my favorites. These are knives that "speak" to me saying "Take me, I won't let you down"!

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Respectfully,
Ron Cassel

 

[Matteo Escobar]

The users and promoters of every steel need to get to the bottom of the mystery of why it works so well for some and chips -- sometimes badly -- for others.

Yes, you are correct. There are many, many anecdotal stories of s30v chipping on larger blade knives.

However, I can't seem to find the anecdotal stories of INFI chipping.....perhaps you could provide the link??

I'll just wait over here in the corner...... After all, all steels are equal right? Some just have their distractors.......:yawn:

 

[3Guardsmen]

There is no question that it resists corrosion better than VG-10.

Unless I am mistaken, I seem to remember Spyderco knives' CEO Sal Glesser once posting that their "Q-fog" tests indicated that VG10 was superior to S30V in that regard. If I am wrong, please excuse me.

Best wishes,
3Guardsmen

 

[Ken C.]

Take anything Cliff Stamp says with a grain of salt. He tests knives to destruction that are far more severe than the maker intended. His "real world" testing is not designed around the knifes actual real world use. Maybe on another planet far, far away but not it sure as hell isn't Earth. I would trust the word of a soldier that has used it in a combat situation than the word of a backyard knife breaking hack.

 

[Matteo Escobar]

Take anything Cliff Stamp says with a grain of salt. He tests knives to destruction that are far more severe than the maker intended. His "real world" testing is not designed around the knifes actual real world use. Maybe on another planet far, far away but not it sure as hell isn't Earth. I would trust the word of a soldier that has used it in a combat situation than the word of a backyard knife breaking hack.

Wow, really? Do you think that he has a bias towards a certain maker, or that his methods are flawed?

You clearly believe either one or the other, or both.

I'm really curious to hear who Cliff is biased against, or how his methods are flawed. This will be REALLY entertaining reading.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Your disingenuous needling suggests you know exactly who Mr. Branch favors and who he consistently derides. But wars between knifemakers are beside the point, even silly, which is why he -- and you -- get no respect in this discussion.

We are trying to understand the steel.

 

[gunnerjohn]

This is GunnerJohn,
Take a look at what Mr. Stamp does to the knives he tests and ask yourself if that is something that you would do to your knife. The Bias is that in all of his testing he is ranking the knives against a Wildlife Hatchet. Think about that.

 

[Matteo Escobar]

We are trying to understand the steel.

Are we really? Because it doesn't seem like you are to me. Would you please link ONE SINGLE POST from Bladeforums of INFI chipping?

 

[Esav Benyamin]

We are really, Mr. Escobar. The title of the thread is " Chris Reeve Green Beret? " Where you find INFI to discuss in that is beyond me.

Could you be trying to stir up dissension here?

 

[Matteo Escobar]

Hey, I'm just sayin'.

 

[Ken C.]

Wow, really? Do you think that he has a bias towards a certain maker, or that his methods are flawed?

You clearly believe either one or the other, or both.

I'm really curious to hear who Cliff is biased against, or how his methods are flawed. This will be REALLY entertaining reading.

Yes, he is biased. He has a definite bias towards CRK. Biased to the point that it is downright vulgar. He favors some makers (Busse) and knocks others (CRK). For the longest time he knocked the Sebenza even though he had never even held one. All makers make a knife a specific purpose. Some do a better job at chopping than slashing or stabbing than slicing. Edges are configured differently, blades are shorter or longer for specific reasons. Cliff has one standard test and puts every knife through that test one single test. Of course some knives will do better than others!!! Some are not designed to hack through cinder blocks!!!

Oh..I also like how you edited your intended post directed towards Esav....

Mr. Benyamin,

I'd like to apologize for showing the world that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Real nice. It is obvious that Esav knows quite a lot more on the subject than you think. Sit down with the man and have a conversation with him and you will find that not only is well educated, he is well versed in the use and function of a knife. I find your condecending attitude uncalled for and it is you who should consider apologizing.

 

[Matteo Escobar]

We are really, Mr. Escobar. The title of the thread is " Chris Reeve Green Beret? " Where you find INFI to discuss in that is beyond me.

Could you be trying to stir up dissension here?

No, I'm not trying to stir up dissension here. You are the one that said we are trying to discuss steels, right??? Did you not say that?

It was Cliff that said that Busse, Swamp Rat, Ranger might be a better choice!

Are you trying to stifle discussion??

 

[3Guardsmen]

Take anything Cliff Stamp says with a grain of salt. He tests knives to destruction that are far more severe than the maker intended.

The same can be said for manufacturers, too, can it not? As far as "testing to destruction", what's the big problem? I'm happy to know just how much any given tool can handle. Think about it. If you don't know a given tool's breaking point, you just may find out at an inopportune time, when you really need that tool. You as a Firefighter can certainly respect that, can you not?

His "real world" testing is not designed around the knifes actual real world use. Maybe on another planet far, far away but not it sure as hell isn't Earth.

Well, wouldn't you consider food prep, carving wood, chopping soft wood, cutting wire, and slicing paper to be "real world use"? I mean, I don't think that any extraterrestrials sit around carving or chopping wood, as they don't, as far as I know, have trees (to get wood) on "another planet far, far away".

I would trust the word of a soldier that has used it in a combat situation than the word of a backyard knife breaking hack.

What percentage of the people who will buy and use this model of knife are "soldiers in a combat situation"? I will grant you that, since I understand this model of knife is an issued item, there will be several Soldiers that will have it, but that does not mean that your average survivalist, or rather, the "backyard knife breaking hack" won't buy one either.

I will say this, I have seen what Soldiers use their equipment for, and on occasion, and many of them can be much more destructive (most of the time just using the wrong tool for the job) than Cliff Stamp.

If you have not yet done so, I suggest you read Cliff's review of the knife model in question: http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/knives/green_beret.html You might find out that it is not as bad as you're making it seem.

Best wishes,
3Guardsmen

 

[ishiyumisan]

I really believe Cliff 100% and also believe that Chris Reeve Green Beret is good knife for the money.:thumbup:
Good to go:thumbup:

 

[3Guardsmen]

I find your condecending attitude uncalled for and it is you who should consider apologizing.

You posted that to Matteo Escobar after you posted this about Cliff Stamp.:

Take anything Cliff Stamp says with a grain of salt. He tests knives to destruction that are far more severe than the maker intended. His "real world" testing is not designed around the knifes actual real world use. Maybe on another planet far, far away but not it sure as hell isn't Earth. I would trust the word of a soldier that has used it in a combat situation than the word of a backyard knife breaking hack.

Classic example of "the pot calling the kettle black" if you ask me.

3Guardsmen

 

[3Guardsmen]

I really believe Cliff 100% and also believe that Chris Reeve Green Beret is good knife for the money.:thumbup:
Good to go:thumbup:

What he said!!!

Best wishes,
3Guardsmen