Chris Reeve Knives - The Emperor's New Clothes?

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Why is Chris Reeve such an unimpeachable darling here? For the life of me I can't figure it out. As far as I can tell the only real earth-shattering innovation he has come up with is the framelock, which is basically just an improvement on the liner lock. Other than that, what am I missing?

The pivot bushing, nice idea in theory, but a nightmare if off by even millionths of an inch. The lack of it on the Umnum seems to be an admission that it was a less than stellar idea.

S30V steel, an increase in edge retention over something like 154CM or VG-10 but with a noticeable loss in toughness, that depending on the heat treatment varies from acceptable to chipping while slicing a banana. Not exactly a major step forward.

Above industry standard tolerances for production of folders? Once again in theory it sounds nice, but in actuality seems to create an open-to-the elements mechanical device that requires plenty of maintenance to perform smoothly. Just look at the countless threads on BF about people's problems with the Sebenza, such as smoothness of opening and over and under engaging of lock bars. The recommended solution in most cases - send it back to CRK. Sure it's probably very unlikely to fail in rough conditions but in normal day to day use it appears to require a good deal of maintenance to perform flawlessly.

Flawless design? Well ask those who have sliced their fingers running them up the back of a closed Sebenza because the blade edge isn't set back far enough. Or those who have been cut when their Sebenza opened in their pocket. The solution often recommended - get a pocket sheath.

Then there's the "issue" with Sebenzas just not being very efficient cutters. The solution often heard is to send it to Tom Krein for a regrind.

Whatever your take on the recent destruction tests, the advertised "superb toughness" of the one piece line seems pretty questionable. Seriously when was the last time these knives got a steel upgrade or a change in heat treatment protocol? A2 steel at 55-57 RC seems pretty behind the times for a $200 - $400 knife.

BF seems to serve as a relentless promoter of CRK knives while CRK barely participates in the forum. Compared to so many other makers/manufacturers that solicit opinions and answer questions from members here, CRK maintains a noticeably aloof presence.

Honestly, what am I missing?
 
I don't need a scientist to tell me there are better knives available. The vids are appreciated though.

I'll stick with Busse.
 
CRK is hardly unimpeachable aound here. In fact, some of the most popular threads seem to be built around bashing the company's products.

Which is interesting, because most people who have owned any of them do value them or say it didn't work for them but was a good piece of equipment. Have you ever had a chance to handle one?

On the other hand, the other companies that come under attack here, like Cold Steel or Strider, are more disliked for their owners than their products.
 
Your issue seems to be the price of the knives versus the perceived value. That's always a tricky one.

I admit I would not pay the new price for a Sebenza or the one-piece range. I have a one-piece but I got it at 40% off the regular price.

Actually I do my level best to never pay the full price of an item. Like most folks I guess.

But then I am also dealing with a sucky exchange rate and exorbitant shipping rates... so I have to factor all of that in.

Are they worth it? Well that's a tough one. There seem to be plenty of happy CRK customers. The fixed and folders never hang around long on the exchange, so they must be doing something right. Right?
 
Overvalued in your opinion. What if simply properly valued, do you think the people who delight in bashing him would be so abashed at his presence they would desist? :D

Your premise is weak, your list of defects is problematical in itself. What is the real problem? You don't like the man, the company, or the products? OK, don't.
 
I like 'em!

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My Sebbie has worked flawlessly for years with no more maintenance than the occasional sharpening. It has never opened in my pocket, the lock has never failed, the only time I cut myself was when I was doing something stupid, I've dropped it from 2 metres onto concrete and it still works as well now as the day I got it.

I suspect there are more people like me than the few who allegedly have problems.
 
Overvalued in your opinion. What if simply properly valued, do you think the people who delight in bashing him would be so abashed at his presence they would desist? :D

Your premise is weak, your list of defects is problematical in itself. What is the real problem? You don't like the man, the company, or the products? OK, don't.

It's really not a question of value, I'm just trying to understand the status in the marketplace which in my estimation isn't really deserving.
 
I've owned a couple and I honestly find my Benchmade 940 to require less maintenance. I'm using the CRK grease but the blade opening becomes rough after about a week or so and if it gets anywhere near water I have to take it apart and clean/lube it again. With my Benchmade I can treat it like crap and spray some wd40 in its general direction once in a full moon and it functions fine.
 
CRK is hardly unimpeachable aound here. In fact, some of the most popular threads seem to be built around bashing the company's products.

The critical threads I've seen about CRK's knives more involved in bashing the tester and his audacity to test the knives themselves. Not so much the knives.

I know there are some fans of CRK knives around here, but it doesn't seem a very concerted effort. It isn't a conspiracy.

It's not really surprising. It seems obvious that a more or less freely joined internet forum of knife nuts will have passionate fans (or foes) of particular brands of knives.

My pet peeve is that fans (and foes) get kinda unhinged in their arguments sometimes. I can understand that folks love their knives, but really, we're mostly male adult people here. Is it too much to ask folks leave the junior high cheerleader mentality out of the public eye?
 
Again as Esav has already asked you Have you ever handled one? I try not to make judgments on a product I have never handled and used. I find making a good estimation of its status is hard to make until you have used one. I currently dont own a Sebenza But I work in a shop that sells them. I have had the opportunity to handle 10+ Sebenzas and I have never seen one with a single one of the problems you alluded to.
 
Again as Esav has already asked you Have you ever handled one? I try not to make judgments on a product I have never handled and used. I find making a good estimation of its status is hard to make until you have used one. I currently dont own a Sebenza But I work in a shop that sells them. I have had the opportunity to handle 10+ Sebenzas and I have never seen one with a single one of the problems you alluded to.

I own a Mountaineer II and have merely handled a Sebbie at a store.
 
I would say that the Sebenza and Mnandi are the highest quality folders I've handled, and that is quite a few. Id say it there is ONE THING that could be better unquestionably, it would be the reliance of a ball/detent for closed retention. IMO their system is less than acceptable for ANY folder. I EDCd sebs for 7 years, and while it was not a real "problem" it was always an issue I danced around. Strider's ball detent is more effective, and Spyderco's ball/detent on the Military is better still. I will never buy a knife that is BOTH tip up and relies on a ball/detent. I reckon that the Umnumzaan is better at this due to the larger ball/detent... too bad it's uglier than a bag of dead dog peters... The day that some knife manufacturer wakes up and makes a knife that uses a frame/liner lock AND a slipjoint style spring for closed retention will be a good day in the knife industry.

The refinements of the Sebenza/Mnandi aren't that noticeable to the untrained or non anal rententive eye. I could list ten refinements over almost any other production framelock... not many of them make a "better" knife... just more refined. I also like how simple they are. I would say that they are "worth" what they go for if you can swing the dough... I just have the one pet peeve with 'em & closed retention is VERY important to me.
 
I own a Mountaineer II and have merely handled a Sebbie at a store.

And you don't like them? I'm not a CRK die-hard but the mnandi is the only knife I've never even thought of selling. Well I did think of upgrading to ivory. ;) I'm also a big Benchmade fan and even more so for Spyderco.
 
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