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Civilian vs Matriarch 2 Wave?

Discussion in 'Spyderco' started by Mitch Taldison, Jun 13, 2019.

Which is the better defensive knife?

  1. Civilian (with zip tie “wave” mod)

  2. Matriarch 2 Wave

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  1. Mitch Taldison

    Mitch Taldison

    Jan 26, 2019
    Due to the nature of my job, I find myself flying here and there around the country every so often on business, and bringing along a gun is simply not possible. I also go to areas where firearms are absolutely prohibited. Much of my traveling is in Texas and areas with lax knife laws, so a large folder is a legal and convenient defensive option for me.

    Looking to get either a Civilian or Matriarch 2 Wave. If I got the Civilian, I would do the zip tie “wave” mod (I have it on my Delicate and like it) as well as swapping the clip to the proper side for “wave” carry.

    I owned a Civilian for a short while and was impressed by it. But is the Matriarch 2 just as effective an emergency last ditch defensive weapon? It is considerably cheaper, lighter, a bit more compact, and is already set up for wave pocket usage of course. But if the Civilian is the superior weapon, then I will buy it. Money is no object here.

    So, between the two, bottom line up front, which would YOU rather have in your pocket if being attacked and you didn’t have access to a firearm?

    Thanks gang,

  2. Danke42


    Feb 10, 2015
    I'd probably pick neither and bring my Yojimbo 2.

    But it would still have to go in a checked bag so that would be a drag.
  3. 5-by-5

    5-by-5 Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 13, 2016
    I've had several civilians and I would certainly choose one of them over a matriarch. The wave is very specific to its draw it's very difficult to draw without wave.
  4. lieferung

    lieferung Basic Member Basic Member

    May 24, 2016
    I've heard horror stories of TSA entering your checked bags and confiscating knives. I know you said money is no object but I'd be pissed if someone confiscated a knife I enjoyed.

    But for Texas surely you'll have no problem. I believe the Civilian was the original and had a slightly different design, so maybe go for the improved Matriarch with the lightweight Endura frame and integrated wave.
  5. sgt1372

    sgt1372 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Oct 16, 2018
    There are a whole host of OTHER knives that I'd prefer to (and can/do) carry for SD than just the 2 mentioned but, as between those 2, I'd prefer the Matriarch2.

    Personally, I'd never carry any knife w/a kludge (like a zip tie attached) to make it do something that it wasn't originally designed to do. So, I'd never put a zip tie on any of my Spyders. Doesn't matter if it's a Civilian or any other Spyder.

    Also, in terms of the knives themselves, if you own (or can buy) both or either of these knives, I don't see the point in buying a Civilian and putting a zip tie on it when you could just buy a Matriarch2 instead. Yeah, the blade is a little over 1/2" longer but the longer length can be a detriment in close-in fighting and really isn't a good reason to choose the Civilian over the Matriarch IMO.

    But, it's really a matter of personal preference. If you like the Civilian better and if it would constantly bug you to carry the Matriarch instead of the Civilian, then buy the Civi and put a zip tie on it and be done w/it.

    FWIW, I own over 120 Spyders including over 20 specifically designed for SD and while I own a Matriarch, I do not own a Civilian. Just my preference.
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2019
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  6. twinboysdad


    Apr 10, 2015
    Bruh, the hole in the blade is where you run your cable lock through before locking it to the inside of your luggage. Can’t do that with thumb studs
  7. twinboysdad


    Apr 10, 2015
    Oh and get a Delica. Mike Janich carries a Delica. Delica has a drone trainer to practice with. Get the Delica
  8. twinboysdad


    Apr 10, 2015
    Delica is not a grail so easily replaced and not as tempting to have stolen
  9. sgt1372

    sgt1372 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Oct 16, 2018
    Actually, if you want to mimic a Civilian or Matriarch and carry a knife that you don't mind losing, a cheap Spyder hawkbill would be my choice.

    The Byrd Hawkbill (BY22SBK), which you can get online for just $24, immediately comes to mind for this purpose.

    With the Byrd, you could cut somebody up cut , toss the knife away (after wiping your prints off of it) and not worry about it. LOL! ;)
    Last edited: Jun 14, 2019
  10. cut it out

    cut it out Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 11, 2010
    Matriarch for me

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  11. WValtakis

    WValtakis Hand Engraving, Anodizing and Embellishment Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    May 29, 2004
    Civilian...but no zip tie;)


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  12. John_0917

    John_0917 Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 15, 2014
    That’s not confiscation, that’s stealing...there are no prohibitions against having knives in your checked luggage.
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  13. nephron

    nephron Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 3, 2017
    Civilian, it was designed for what you have in mind.
  14. Markb33tem

    Markb33tem Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 1, 2019
    3EA6AD0F-E795-4CE6-AB38-E5A6E22B2A76.jpeg Civilian on the way.
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  15. nephron

    nephron Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 3, 2017
  16. sgt1372

    sgt1372 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Oct 16, 2018
    That wasn't the question the OP as asking.

    He was asking if you'd prefer to carry a Civilian w/a zip tie so that he could wave it or a Matriach2 w/the wave feature already manufactured into the blade.

    It's already well-known (based on Spyderco's description of the knife posted above) that the Civilian was "designed" for LEO use BUT that was before they began making the Matriarch and other knives where they've added the Emerson wave tab to it, which in addition to the Matriarch also includes the Endura and Delica.

    The question I'd ask is why isn't Spyderco making a Civilian w/an Emerson wave tab too?

    Seems like an obvious thing to do, given all of the other models where the wave tabs been added. It would also make it unnecessary for people to resort to the warranty voiding modification illustrated in the photo that @WValtakis posted above in order to add one to their Civilians.
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2019
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  17. nephron

    nephron Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 3, 2017
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  18. brownshoe

    brownshoe I support this site with my MIND

    Sep 6, 2002
    The Civilian is thicker and heavier than the Matriarch, that's why I got one, easier to carry & conceal.
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  19. JeremiahWeaver09


    Nov 13, 2009
    i own both, i prefer the civilian because the larger g10 handle feels more secure in my hand
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  20. Trvrdgr1234

    Trvrdgr1234 Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 29, 2019
    If your so concerned with fast opening why not carry a fixed blade if it's legal for you

    I've been carrying the ronin 2 lately personally while I think the civilian is bad ass I feel like a defensive knife loses some versatility if it cant stab

    If I had to choose between the two I'd go with the matriarch its damn near the same thing for half the money and has a real wave
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