CIVIVI Sokoke new collaboration with Ray Laconico

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A #new collaboration with Ray Laconico
👉🏻"CIVIVI Sokoke " is coming on Feb.3rd
Let us know your favorite versions!

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Great photos. Wish I could feel the front flipper action.
Totally agree. Hard to tell how it would flip in hand. Looks like a VERY appealing knife. Also kind of wish it had a stonewash or satin finish. Also looks like you've got about two sharpenings on it before you're up into the handle. A lot to like though. Great size.
 

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I really wanted to like this one. Unfortunately, that recess on the show side is a deal breaker. It looks messy, ugly, and a bit like something fell off. What was wrong with just having screw holes on that side?
 
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Noticed the same thing. Seems like there should be a plug that screws on there or something, at least. Weird.
 

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Agreed. ^^ I don’t like the recess thing either.

‘Also, I run with no pocket clips at all, so I’m doubly screwed.
 

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I would have preferred the one side well not on also but in use it’s not a problem, and I've never fully operated a front flipper as well as 'everyone else in the world' lol so I was glad to see a thumb stud on this, plus you don't have a flipper tab sticking down in your way so you can choke up closer to apply cutting force at the start of the edge easier.

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I would have preferred the one side well not on also but in use it’s not a problem, and I've never fully operated a front flipper as well as 'everyone else in the world' lol so I was glad to see a thumb stud on this, plus you don't have a flipper tab sticking down in your way so you can choke up closer to apply cutting force at the start of the edge easier.

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I don’t think many folks here take one small detail on a Civivi knife and, by that, determine the knife to be total garbage. Quite the opposite, I’m sure many folks will see a comfortable, stylish, practical knife at a decent price point and forgive its warts.

That said, I think when most people see a name like R Laconico on the blade, they don’t expect to see such a glaring blemish. This isn’t a $500 knife, but it’s also not a $20 no name. The designer name on the blade is a brand that’s become synonymous with simplicity, attention to subtle detail, and careful lines. So in that context, it seems a baffling oversight.
 

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Can’t tell if you agree with me or find my post offensive, but I think that obviously I like the knife and glad to have it along for the day
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Can’t tell if you agree with me or find my post offensive, but I think that obviously I like the knife and glad to have it along for the day
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Certainly not offended, so don’t worry about that. I love discussing the pros and cons of these things and what we like and don’t. I was just giving my opinion about why such a small detail seems so glaring to some. For others, not so much. Things are never black and white. I think it’s awesome you’ve got one already!

How’s the flipper action?
 

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Well that’s good to know, wasn’t sure since you quoted my post.

As stated earlier I don’t have the knack for front flippers and glad it has thumb studs and the detent is about perfect as the blade opens quickly and locks up solid
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call me weird, i'm a big fan of laconico designs, but i'm not super excited with the actual trend of prominent front flippers...
i didnt bought the gorgeous Esprit, i won't buy this one either..
 

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Noticed the same thing. Seems like there should be a plug that screws on there or something, at least. Weird.

Fill plates can solve the ergonomic nit of crisp edges on a recess and might look better, but they still tend to break up the aesthetic flow.

Seriously, what was wrong with just having screw holes on the show side? I have LOTS of knives from WE and other companies where they just have screw holes on both sides and the deep-carry loop-over sits on top of the scale without issue. The only time I ever have issues is when companies don't use flush-fitting screws inside a loop-over but WE figured that out a long time ago.
 
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I keep revisiting this knife, really trying to love it, but it just looks more and more like a missed opportunity for Civivi.

Bead blast finishes need to be a thing of the past. Maybe a dealbreaker all by itself.

In one of the “knife therapy” YouTube reviews, the guy also points out another fatal flaw—that the shallow sharpening choil is also a point of contact inside the joint on lockup, meaning that after a few sharpenings, lockup stability is going to start to change (unless you don’t sharpen all the way to the choil, which seems not at all ideal).

Also, why don’t companies inset the clip only on one side and just drill holes on the other? Seems a good compromise. Righties get the inset, and lefties don’t, but at least they get a reversible clip. No sense in leaving that show side gouge for 90% of users.

The blade shape, steel, handle girth, no flipper tab—this knife has so much going for it. Satin or stone wash finish and a deeper choil, and I’d have one in my pocket. Fix the clip issue, and it’s a home run. Until then, there are just too many great knives out there—the obvious alternative being the Petrified Fish Flavorist front flipper in K110.
 

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I finally broke down and picked up one of these. I love the overall design and action. It's almost a "Civivi Esprit", which would have been a win.

Bead blast finishes need to be a thing of the past. Maybe a dealbreaker all by itself.

I agree. I hate bead blast. It looks okay but not as good as a rough stone-wash that actually hides scratches. A bigger issue, especially with less resistant steels like D2 or AUS-8, is that this kind of surface effect will promote corrosion.

WE uses this finish on lots of knives and I have a few of them. Luckily, they tend to use it on 20CV, which is stainless enough that I don't care about increased susceptibility to corrosion. Here, the 14C28N is not quite as stainless but still stainless enough. WE's bead blast seems smoother than the old Kershaw bead blast that led to occasional examples of 14C28N rusting (probably in combination with neglect). Still, satin would have been much better and a rough and sparkly stone-wash would have been ideal.

In one of the “knife therapy” YouTube reviews, the guy also points out another fatal flaw—that the shallow sharpening choil is also a point of contact inside the joint on lockup, meaning that after a few sharpenings, lockup stability is going to start to change (unless you don’t sharpen all the way to the choil, which seems not at all ideal).

I saw that on Neeves Knives. He has noted it on a few recent knives from different companies. I'm wondering how much this is a recent trend in knife construction versus him pointing it out. I haven't had mine apart yet but I suspect he may be right. To be fair, there is still room and I've got a large EDC rotation so who knows if it will ever be a problem for me. That's the thing though. Any good EDC knife should be able to be a person's only EDC knife... I'm curious to see if anyone has issues with this down the road.

Also, why don’t companies inset the clip only on one side and just drill holes on the other? Seems a good compromise. Righties get the inset, and lefties don’t, but at least they get a reversible clip. No sense in leaving that show side gouge for 90% of users.

This is a big deal to me and I totally agree with sticking to "just screw holes" on the "show side". An empty recess looks terrible, as if the knife is unfinished or missing a part. Of course, the fill plates some companies use also look bad to me. However they do it, it almost always breaks up the aesthetics of the show side.

A worse issue is that they almost always have crisp edges. That's definitely true here. The Sokoke has wonderfully rounded lines and good ergonomics except here in the recess. Every time my hand brushes over this space, I notice it.

Honestly, I've passed on lots of knives because of this issue. I've made a few exceptions with micarta because I can sometimes sand it down in a way that looks and feels less bad. I'm going to try that here (and maybe also dye the scales). Still, I just wish it wasn't there. This is a long post but I really hope WE Knife Media WE Knife Media reads it and thinks about these issues moving forward.
 

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A absolutely LOVE WE/CIVIVI Bead Blast finish. Not sure what y'all ar smokin'. :D
 
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