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There is now a smaller M16. They call it "EDC Sized".
It has a 4 inch handle and can be found here.
-Kevin
It has a 4 inch handle and can be found here.
-Kevin
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CKRT M16 questions
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Hey, you say that NC limits you to 4" closed? That's news to me! On Bernard Levine's site it lists a closed length of 4.5" closed. Yes, yes, I know that there are caveats that it could be wrong.
In any case, I've always had a really hard time determining just what the legal restriction is here on blade length/overall length with a folder here in NC.
In any case, I've always had a really hard time determining just what the legal restriction is here on blade length/overall length with a folder here in NC.
I carried an M16 for about 2 yrs and I loved the flipper but, the blade did have a tendancy to rust in spots.
I have sworn off liner locks after the M16 closed at the "wrong time" and cut my pinky TO THE BONE and NO I was not doing something stupid. I would like to see the flipper on one of benchmades axis lockers though.
I have sworn off liner locks after the M16 closed at the "wrong time" and cut my pinky TO THE BONE and NO I was not doing something stupid. I would like to see the flipper on one of benchmades axis lockers though.
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Wouldn't the placement of the flipper prevent that?
http://pweb.netcom.com/~brlevine/nc.txt
... that says 4.5 inches?
I did a quick looksie in the knife laws section, guess my memory was failing me!
... I think the 110 by buck is shorter then 1.5... hehehe!
And so are the strider/buck's... and the _____ fill in blank
Thanks guys for the help! (and for my fellow tar heel to force me <arm got twisted> to look up the laws!)
... that says 4.5 inches?
I did a quick looksie in the knife laws section, guess my memory was failing me!
... I think the 110 by buck is shorter then 1.5... hehehe!
And so are the strider/buck's... and the _____ fill in blank
Thanks guys for the help! (and for my fellow tar heel to force me <arm got twisted> to look up the laws!)
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I've had an M16-03Z for about a month. I carry and use it daily and have had no problems with it. The blade hasn't rusted, the liner lock works great.I did modify the thumbstuds and replace the clip. Overall it's a hell of a knife for the price. I have no complaints about it.
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Hotrod,
From the Levine site,
"Knife about 4-1/2 inches in overall length which, when
folded, was clearly designed for carrying in a pocket or
purse, was an 'ordinary pocketknife' as defined by this
section." (1989)
I've tried to find a write up on that particular case so I could understand the specifics of it, but, not being an attorney, I'm having a little difficulty. I do remember that just a few years ago there was some language floating around that quoted 3" (I don't recall whether that was for folded or blade length). I'm very puzzled at the 4.5" thing above which I only noticed in the last 6 months or so. The actual statute itself, as you can see on that website, is very vague as to what an "ordinary pocketknife" would be. Clearly it seems that this has been discussed on more than one occassion during trials and opinions have been rendered into case law.
A few people to which I've spoken, including LEO's, have indicated to me that if it folds it's a pocket knife. On the other hand, I've heard conflicts with this opinion as well.
I essentially have come to the personal conclusion that it's apparently an issue up for some debate so I'll carry according to my likely needs of the day, try to stay out of trouble, don't act suspicious, and not worry about it. I typically only spend effort being concious of blade length when I'm spending a lot of time in federal, state, or county buildings. I come from a rural background where no one gave any real thought to your knife or gun carry (they were simply viewed tools like any other in the shed, to be used appropriately). I still have a great deal of difficulty adjusting to the new "improved", more populace, and more PC North Carolina as opposed to the North Carolina of my youth. I understand this problem is common across most of our great nation.
From the Levine site,
"Knife about 4-1/2 inches in overall length which, when
folded, was clearly designed for carrying in a pocket or
purse, was an 'ordinary pocketknife' as defined by this
section." (1989)
I've tried to find a write up on that particular case so I could understand the specifics of it, but, not being an attorney, I'm having a little difficulty. I do remember that just a few years ago there was some language floating around that quoted 3" (I don't recall whether that was for folded or blade length). I'm very puzzled at the 4.5" thing above which I only noticed in the last 6 months or so. The actual statute itself, as you can see on that website, is very vague as to what an "ordinary pocketknife" would be. Clearly it seems that this has been discussed on more than one occassion during trials and opinions have been rendered into case law.
A few people to which I've spoken, including LEO's, have indicated to me that if it folds it's a pocket knife. On the other hand, I've heard conflicts with this opinion as well.
I essentially have come to the personal conclusion that it's apparently an issue up for some debate so I'll carry according to my likely needs of the day, try to stay out of trouble, don't act suspicious, and not worry about it. I typically only spend effort being concious of blade length when I'm spending a lot of time in federal, state, or county buildings. I come from a rural background where no one gave any real thought to your knife or gun carry (they were simply viewed tools like any other in the shed, to be used appropriately). I still have a great deal of difficulty adjusting to the new "improved", more populace, and more PC North Carolina as opposed to the North Carolina of my youth. I understand this problem is common across most of our great nation.
Wouldn't "overall length" mean the length of the knife when the blade is out? That'd mean a blade size of about 2".
The one M16 I've handled was the medium size 1* model, and it didn't impress me. The lock didn't, the action was gritty, and the thumbstuds were murder on the fingers and hard to use (guess that's what the flipper is for though
) The blade did have even grinds and came very sharp. For the price, I'd spend a little more and get a Benchmade Griptillian, much better quality and a lock that works.
The one M16 I've handled was the medium size 1* model, and it didn't impress me. The lock didn't, the action was gritty, and the thumbstuds were murder on the fingers and hard to use (guess that's what the flipper is for though
) The blade did have even grinds and came very sharp. For the price, I'd spend a little more and get a Benchmade Griptillian, much better quality and a lock that works.