Claude Dallas is Free

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Let out from Orofino corrections yesterday in Idaho just before 5 pm.




munk
 
http://www.kpvi.com/index.cfm?page=nbcheadlines.cfm&ID=23611


I remember reading a book about him and the Game Dept. officers some years ago. If I recall correctly, it didn't romanticize him nor villify the officers. I DO remember being shocked in the passages when he actually committed the crimes. It seemed unreal.


THE BOOK:

GIVE A BOY A GUN, by Jack Olsen, published by Dell Publishing of Bantam Doubleday, 1985,in paperback.

I sometimes make notes in the front pages of books, just to refresh my memory when I go to re-read them. This one has:

"This makes me angry. I have no sympathy for Claude Dallas."


If I'm recalling the story correctly, the Game Department guys were decent men, just doing their jobs and Dallas had an 1820's perception of how he should be able to live his life.

My memory may be faulty.
 
Why, Raghorn?


I see after his gun battle he delivered a head shot to each game and fish officer. Hardly the action of self defense. If he's fifty four now he wasn't very old when this happend.

Do you think he's eligible for a new hunting license?



munk
 
I see he got off with just manslaughter.


Who was he defended by; Spence?





munk
 
munk said:
Why, Raghorn?

Because if he stays in Idaho some decent but misguided soul will end up with life behind bars for giving him the justice that was denied him this first time around.

Orofino is a small town, and the prison is one of its largest employers. There are numerous folks around here who have dealt with him on a daily or weekly basis since his return from Kansas. He is not a rehabilitated man.

Honestly I hope he just fades away into the woodwork, and does not become the legend in his own mind that will return him to the path he was on when he committed his atrocity.

But I doubt it.
 
Hollywood got ahold of the story and mixed up the vaules. That said, I trust neither the Idaho State government nor the Federal Government.

I'll never forgive Idaho for what it did to my wife. That includes the Governor, and the head of the personel office.

It deserves all the Californians who could possibly fit in it's borders.


Claude Dallas was playing Mt Man. You have to ask yourself, though, why any one would go all the way out there to cite him for a game violation? The locals poach deer year round.

I don't trust humans under badge or cloak or authority. Did those guys play cowboy? Would they have shot Dallas down? I don't know. I rather doubt it-but there is a grain of doubt.

I always thought the sole witness was very conveniently away from camp that day.

But Ian Tyson wrote his ballad and we'll never know. As for Dallas being rehabilitated, who is?

A corrections officer at the psych ward, brought in for odd behavior, attempted to take out my right eye with a heavy IV stand he'd just swung at me. He wasn't rehabilitated either, and he worked for 'us'. He was not crazy- he was a drug taking sociopath. I'm proud to say my County knuckeled under to his threatened law suit and let him go.

No, we'll never know. Idaho does some good things- establishing a precedent of Federal officers being able to be arrested on civil rights violations- ala Weaver case, was one such. And ditto for the Ninth circuit- about the only decent decision they've made I'm aware of.

But I've seen too much criminal behavior by civil servants to exactly take their word for Dallas.

Dallas is a **** for execution. Not for the bobcat pelts. He was a very lucky man to get manslaughter.


I bet it was Spence who defended him- the famous buckskinned lawyer out of Jackson Hole.


munk
 
Come on Munk, you're telling me that you've never wanted to go on a Charles Bronson, "Death Hunt" style rampage through the wilderness? Its always been one of my goals.
 
Munk, if you don't mind me asking, what did Idaho do to your wife?

If this is too personal, you don't need to respond. It would just clarify your position a bit.

Nam
 
I have at least three Rotten Idaho stories. Here's number one; My wife has rave reviews wherever she works. Wherever she goes she inevitably gets the highest billing hours. Departments love this. And the staff always loves my wife.
She went to work as a State Counselor for the unit in Idaho Falls. Her boss was an incompetant bitch who graduated from a Psychology school in such disrepute it was 1) closed by the feds and debt, and 2) anyone graduating there could not be licensed in any State of the Uninion, so poor was their work. This was my wife's boss. My wife had a bad feeling about this woman from the start. It is not fair, but the fact this woman is also a lesbian only adds to my dislike of the entire situtation- she disliked my wife for various and sundry reasons, her Christianity no doubt high on the list. She was given the hardest assignments and did them well. Her billing hours once again exceeded anyone's in the department, and established a record for the department.

The time came for my wife to pass probation. As she'd recieved nothing but glowing verbal reports, she believed this woman who said she'd forgotten to do my wife's review and to wait another three months. We concieved a child in this time, planning on staying in the area for life.

Well, I'll never forget the day my wife came home early one fine summer day, 7 months pregnant and fired. "Let off probation." We'd been looking to buy a house. The realtor came by the afternoon this hit.

Here is where the State of Idaho can go to hell: they have policy that you will never find out why, who your accuser is, or what you were let go for- unless you fight it in their own screwed up state personel court system. If you lose- you lose all accrued benefits.

We went to the head of the department to find out what my wife had done. He looked at us like we were human scum. He not only did not believe us, but he pumped us for information about any possible suit. He was also the Stake president of a local stake of Mormons.

I wrote to anyone who would listen. I wrote to licensing bureas, the STate personal director, the Gove, the Senator- they all referred back to this Stake president's blind backing of whatever viscious lies the Lesbian bitch told about my wife.
There was one decent man in the Idaho State system who wrote me a very kind letter. He was the exception.
Under this State policy, abuse is rampant, and will not be curbed. eVerything is catch 22 and self fullfilling. They can say whatever they like about you and you cannot check it's veracity unless you wish to trust the same system in a quasi court environment.

One of the best men I ever knew in this lifetime was a Psychologist for the County of San Bernardino where I worked. He was a hippy zen budhist dude who at age 43 went back to school and became a licensed clinical Psyhcologist. Someone screwed him along the way, and rather than taking it, he wrote one of the most scathing letters to various boards I ever read. I followed in his footsteps. I wrote anyone who would listen. We should have gone public- because there was lots of dirt there.

But screw the Governor and the entire departement. wE had no insurance, few friends, and had to leave the State with a three week old baby and nearly psychotic wife through worry and sleep deprivation- our new baby screamed his guts out all the time. There was no sleep in our house.
I will never forgive that Stake president of the Mormons, or the incredibally evil woman who lied about my wife.

I will never forgive Idaho. May they rot. If I had it to do over again, I'd get proper legal representation and sue the hell out of them. But we- we had a baby and just wanted to leave. My wife was afraid of being black balled in the West.

That didn't happen- I like to think all my letters pushed back these human serpents.

There is one other thing helped in our decision to leave; the first pregnancy we had the child was killed by a hosptital error. The next day we were to leave for Idaho and her new job. With the birth of a healthy baby finally, all she wanted was peace.

Idaho has deserved my urine rolling freely from a window of a moving vehicle every time I pass over their State line.

Idaho- a place that has lost the virtues of the traditional west, and replaced it with hatred and blind suspicion of all newcomers, especially Californians. It was Idaho that thought of the brilliant idea to raise out of state game lic fee's- to get those dirty rich out of staters. Guess what happened? The dirty out of staters stopped coming to Idaho- so steep were the fees, and teh Govt had to raise RESIDENT LIC FEES to make up the shortfall!!

DUH.

I have many Idaho stories. Remind me someday to tell of my first look at a big game hunt- the spike elk hunt outside of Spencer. They'd shoot at specks on the horizon.

Let me tell you, Wyoming and Montana are both superior to Idaho in every way.

The only thing Idaho gave me was my late best friend, and they screwed his name when he died!!! Land of the Sanctimonious and politically connected.

Do you know the Idaho Psychologist licensure requirments were written by ex californian psychologists who filled the Board and did not wish to see any more competition come from their native state, and wrote specs in the code which grandfathered them in and left out all others!!! ?? Idaho.

"Come see our last best tree before we cut it down."

Idaho.

California West.


munk
 
Here's some more background on Idaho. (not my other rotten stories- this is just general)

Idaho Falls is booming now. When we moved there there were probably 2 houses for rent- all other houses were for sale and rent. I've seen this pattern repeated throughout the rural west, but it was Idaho Falls probably pioneered the system. You see, they hate Californians because Californians sold their homes for 200,000 and bought land in Idaho cheap. You also have the end of ranching and farming- the family farms have died. We are left with a whole bunch of housing that the owners would simply like to sell to an out of Stater at fat dollar. the Locals sure as hell won't buy it. But wait- no one is buying them. So. let's rent them, and if we sell while renting it out- kick the renters out.

I rented from a gal who swore she would not sell the house out from under us. She did. The realtor lady just kept pressuring her and it looked good so she did. Our new owners were a real joke, I could write a short story about them. I remember I wanted to rent another house, but the gal showing it lived in Jackson Hole, and would not trust me. My wife was a freakin Psychologist but she would not trust me- I needed more references than I'd brought, and I had no local ones!!

She wanted 6 hundred a month for a dink place anyway.

Today, the place is booming, I see they've built apt houses and renters low rent places. But when i was there there was nothing decent for rent.

Idaho falls has the Hobo Spider- a huge relative of the Brown recluse. First night I spent there one was trucking my way towards my sleeping bag on the floor. I tennis shoed it. Came to find out these spiders were no joke! And our basement was chock full of them!!

It was in Idaho I saw the practise of speeding as fast as you could around a fire road blind curve- they stay just a couple miles per hour below that neccesary to fly off the mountain.
It was in Idaho I saw what had happened to the 'gentleman statesman' of the West- they would shoot at anything that moved on a hunt!!!

First Forest Ranger office I came to I stopped at. I wanted to familerize myself with the local shooting regs. You'll love this, a Female Officer said,

"Why do you want to know? So you can shoot bullet holes in highway signs like everyone else?"
I gave her a lecture on sportsmen right there and then. But she was not the exception- I've found Federal employees in places like Idaho to be sanctimonious, animal hugging, green sprout eating environmental wackoos. Sorry Raghorn- present company excluded.

I don't miss the place. Since my best friend died there's no reason to go back. I see his widow sometimes, and stop by his grave.

Let me repeat an old saw about the Mormons. I don't know if it's true, but the worst people I met in Idaho were mormons, and the best.

I've met other cheats and frauds throughout the West, but it was Idaho opened my eyes. And that State Government protected them.

munk
 
My relatives had trouble with the Mormons too. They lived in Utah for several generations herding cattle before they had to move to Michigan to find jobs because the Mormon's didnt want to do business with non-Mormons. My grandpa and has two brothers all moved to the same block in the Detroit area. One of my great uncles ended up killing himself, nobody ever talks about it, but it seems like it was financial problems. He was supposed to be a very interesting man. They tell me he always shot his deer in the head because he was such a good shot. My grandpa has his old Marbles hunting knife, and I have his A5 shotgun. I dont hate Mormon's for that, but it sure doesnt say much for them. Although, I guess any social group would tend to help its own and shun outsiders.

And sorry female forumites, but every female DNR officer I have ever had contact with has been a real... well, lets just say they were unpleasant. Maybe that job just attracts that personality.
 
Yes, the Mormons historically do business with Mormons. That has to be changing in a place like Idaho. However- not entirely. Utah opened it's own Psychologist training clinical program. The requirement? 5000 clinical hours. Where does one get 5000 clinical hours? Why, only from a Mormon university of course. I believe it's Brigham Young but I could be wrong.

IN the past, Calif and NY had the strongest licenses, accepted nearly everywhere. Ca has 3000 clinical hours. Idaho accepts that - but the hours must be given on an individual basis. So a urban place like Ca- with thousands of candidates, no longer qualifies in Idaho. Ca gives out hours of supervision with say one license holder watching 4 or 5 candidates. Not good enough. Idaho has dozens of candidates and can temporarly afford a one on one training. This will change, of course, just not before some exclusivity has been awarded.

It's all the same though. People. It's no different than the Gay community awarding it's members the cream. One year when a prestigious poety annual was published, along with prize winners, one of the most reputable female poets in AMerica complained that many of the names and entries would not have been accepted if they were not Gay or women. /This created a little shock wave- but nothing changed.
For years it has been known in the firearms retail industry- true or not- take this with a grain of predujice- that Eastern Jews control the trade. My old retailer wholesaler swore to this. He could never get the inside good guy price he wanted.

So inside groups protect their interests. Nothing new. But it hardly makes one proud to be a human.


munk
 
This is great- as sick as anything I've ever heard- someone just gave me a red square for rehashing past pain in Idaho, telling me "Sorry for your bad experiences, but you need to move on."

There are some pains we carry that resurrect occasionally. That hardly means they have not been dealt with. It is almost funny if it were not so inconsistant and confliced with cues- sympathy along with a negative red square.

It takes all kinds. I'd hate to be raised like that by an adult- imagine a carress followed by a slap?

MY advice to the red square giver is to not read my posts.

Or move to Idaho!!! LOL

I realize many of us are dysfunctional. In a way, I'm sorry for the red square giver. But please- leave me out of your loop of conflicting emotions and bad cues. What your message ultimately teaches is not to change inwardly- but to hide and not risk public exposure. Doubtless, you were taught this. "don't do as I say- do as I do." What a maroon- you reinforce the very resentments you superfically pay lip service to getting over!!!


munk
 
I agree with Munk again, I'd be watering your karma cactus but it won't let me. Apparently I agree with you too much...
 
I'm perplexed, 45/70; we would all like to let the past go, and we do the best we can.


If someone genuinely wished me sympathy, why not say the same- get over it, and give a green square to show both sincerity and true kindness?

I think there is an answer to that. The sympathy was not real, or the kindness not one they were used to in their own life.

Well, I was asked about Idaho and I spoke. Should I be afraid now to speak?

I had a thought- if I ever do get published again someday- with some providential kindness from above, no doubt, then comments and red squares, however dysfunctional, I'd better get used to.

Thank God for my friends.

munk
 
When Brigham Young called the Mormons home to Zion, Nevada Territory was under the thumb of the local Mormons. Suffice it to say that as soon as they were gone the other Nevadans made sure they'd never get their hands on power in the Territory again.

It's almost a requirement to disdain Mormans if you want to be a real Nevadan. ;)

But my wife went thru much the same thing - one Mormon schoolteacher found fault and unceasingly complained of her "incompetence" to to the principal who was - guess what? Yes, a Mormon. Fortunately he was replaced and another Mormon teacher took Mary under her wing, thus giving her protection from the first one.

Nevada's civil service system sounds a lot like Idaho's.

But then the cognoscenti anywhere tend to use their influence to repress the uncouth commoners and protect their own.

Hmmn - maybe that would serve as a good excuse to buy another gun. Alright, that Saiga I got Friday is an anti-( fill in the blank ) oppression gun. Yeah, that's it: an anti-tyrranist defense.
 
munk said:
This is great- as sick as anything I've ever heard- someone just gave me a red square for rehashing past pain in Idaho, telling me "Sorry for your bad experiences, but you need to move on."

The red square wasn't the right thing to do.

Ice
 
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