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Clip pt. vs. Insingo fit and finish
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As far as fit/finish quality, I haven't noticed any difference between the clip and insingo models I've had.
One interesting note, though, both Large Insingos I've had had noticeably earlier lockups than any of my clip point 21's. Of course two knives is a very small sample, but an odd coincidence, and they are manufactured more than a year apart.
Has anyone else noticed such a phenomenon?
One interesting note, though, both Large Insingos I've had had noticeably earlier lockups than any of my clip point 21's. Of course two knives is a very small sample, but an odd coincidence, and they are manufactured more than a year apart.
Has anyone else noticed such a phenomenon?
I bought my large plain 21 insingo double lug about 16 months ago, and noticed immediately after receiving it the detent was too strong and the blade was a millimeter off center. On a tenacious or a cold steel I'd chalk it up to price point, but on a $460 knife I couldn't accept it, so I sent it back to CRK. 8 weeks later I got the knife back with a silky smooth detent and perfectly centered blade. The detent remained silky, but within 2 weeks the blade had drifted off center, and the knife was prone to minor lock stick. It bothered me more than it should, but on a knife this expensive With such close tolerances i expected next to perfection. I still carried the knife and just did my best to ignore these minor first world problems.
Well I used it a lot but decided one day I wanted a clip point, so I sent it back to CRK 2 months ago and had a double silver lug clip point with all silver hardware installed to the tune of $200. I received it last week and I couldn't believe how perfect the knife was when I got it back! The detent felt perfect, the blade opened smoother than the insingo ever did, and the centering, even after disassembly and reassembly, remains as dead center as could possibly be. The lock has had absolutely zero semblance of lock stick, even with minor flicking which i occasionally do because it's my knife and I feel like it!
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Well I used it a lot but decided one day I wanted a clip point, so I sent it back to CRK 2 months ago and had a double silver lug clip point with all silver hardware installed to the tune of $200. I received it last week and I couldn't believe how perfect the knife was when I got it back! The detent felt perfect, the blade opened smoother than the insingo ever did, and the centering, even after disassembly and reassembly, remains as dead center as could possibly be. The lock has had absolutely zero semblance of lock stick, even with minor flicking which i occasionally do because it's my knife and I feel like it!
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There is no difference.
Your chance of receiving a Clip vs Clip or an Insingo vs Clip with a variance between the two would be the same.
My one Insingo is perfect in every way, but then again so are my Clip Points.
You just had a bit of bad luck with the first blade it seems. Had nothing to do with it being an Insingo blade. Sorry to hear about your trouble with it, and hopefully that will be the last one you have a problem with.
Sounds about right. Glad I made the swap. I like the insingo blade but the clip point is just sweeter in every way....not the least of which is in appearance.
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lemmuhj
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I know we're splitting hairs here. But take a look
Insingo
Same knife, clip point blade swapped in
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This is probably a result from the grinding angles on the Insingo making it look off center.
Makes me wonder what they did when I sent it back to CRK to center the insingo the first time around--whatever they did only lasted a couple weeks and then it was off center again. Something wasn't right somewhere in the hardware of the knife. Guess it doesn't really matter, I just got unlucky like has been said. Good to know all your insingo's are picture perfect like they should be!
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Lucky guy !!
I sent my lg Seb 21 with drop point blade to CR for Spa with the wish to add a Insingo blade and I got this answer from Alycia.
For the Large 21, currently with a single silver lug, we are unable to put an Insingo blade on a knife that was originally made with a drop point.
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A lot of times the centering does come down to the final sharpening. You'll notice generally the space between the scales is pretty even along the length of the blade. But even with that you can have a tip that looks off, generally it is because of the final sharpening. So the blade is centered, but the tip is not. It is even harder with the Insingo given the swedge. If the entire blade is off center not just the tip, you probably have one washer a bit thicker than the other.
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Both my large and small insingos are slightly off-centre. About the same amount as yours. All my spear points and the one tanto I have are dead Center. The old, unused, Large Regular I have is also slightly off as is my 2008 Umnumzaan. What this tells me is a couple things: 1 - they possibly struggle more with the insingos. On mine the blades are perfectly parallel to the slabs, but the grind at the tip throws the centering off 'ever so slightly'. 2 - even old CRKs can be off-centre.
Moral of the story, if you want to have the ability to swap 2 blade in one knife, buy an insingo first!
Also, the blade is closer to the presentation side than the lock side all the way past the lock bar indentation. So it's not just the tip of the final grind. But I DID do the trick where you loosen all the screws a bit, hold the slabs at the top and "align them" while tightening all screws. This put the knife into alignment until I flicked it open, which would cause it to misalign again. Again, first world problems we're talking about here [emoji16]
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Also, the blade is closer to the presentation side than the lock side all the way past the lock bar indentation. So it's not just the tip of the final grind. But I DID do the trick where you loosen all the screws a bit, hold the slabs at the top and "align them" while tightening all screws. This put the knife into alignment until I flicked it open, which would cause it to misalign again. Again, first world problems we're talking about here [emoji16]
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It's not that they can't put an Insingo blade into a clip point- they just won't do it. The Insingo was a KA exclusive when it was released. I believe the exclusivity is the reason they won't do it.. The Insingo is no longer exclusive, but I think that they are not going to change the policy at this point.
They make loads of Insingos, what's the difference if they put a handful of Insingo blades on clip point knives? There's probably an equal number going the other way for those who decide they want the standard blade so it's likely a wash. Not like the market will suddenly be flooded with "Frankinsingos". It would be a way to get a nice inlay or graphic on an Insingo. Maybe they have some distaste for fancy handles coupled with Insingo blades. It would explain why theres only two handle options for Insingo (4 counting the KA and BHQ CF exclusives).
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No doubt that it would not really make a difference in any significant way as far as numbers go..It's just a blade swap for them..The same is also true of the other options such as graphics..it's just a tiny detail..so why the resistance?
My guess?
Integrity; They started off saying "No", so to change the policy this late in the game would probably anger past customers that have asked the same. For the most part, it doesn't look good to have well defined lines, rules or policies that are arbitrarily crossed and to some extent, would appear for them to be playing favorites for some customers and not all.
I understand what you are saying. But companies change products and services being offered all the time. While I was not here at the time the Insingo was released, I am very confident that what you say is true and that when first offered there was probably a good reason they didn't do certain blade swaps. If that remains the case, no problem! However if it simply a case of "this is how we've always done it and we're not going to change now!", well, that would be a bummer. I don't think changing a policy based on changing circumstances is really the same as playing favorites. Perhaps what could not be offered before for sound reasons can be offered now without issue. I really don't know. Arbitrary rules for the sake of rules is sucking the fun out of life these days. This is more a general critique of all manner of odd policies and rules we encounter than just a rant over Insingos.