Clones,fakes or whatever

halden.doerge said:
Should probably check the forum rules. Clones aren’t welcome here.
Click to expand...
It's worth noting that some clones are legal because they do not violate trademark or patent laws if the original knives were not patented and had no trademarks on them, but yes, checking the forum rules is a good idea.
 
halden.doerge said:
Should probably check the forum rules. Clones aren’t welcome here.
Click to expand...
Hello, yes I have actually checked the selling rules before I purchased a membership here. Here's a screenshot of the selling rules:
Notice it doesn't prohibit the selling of clone, imitation or homage knives.

ipFN05t.png
 
Last edited:
Warkaven said:
Hello, yes I have actually checked the selling rules before I purchased a membership here. Here's a screenshot of the selling rules:

ipFN05t.png
Click to expand...

You gotta read to the end, section 5:

Fakes/Homages-
As fakes and homage items are a legal gray area and obviously hurt the hobby, no fake or homage items may be sold on the Exchange. Members may not knowingly sell unlicensed knockoffs or counterfeit versions of knives (or any other goods) based upon the designs of their legitimate owner, manufacturer or custom maker. Additionally, members may not sell any knife or item known or suspected to be other than as described in terms of its lineage and authenticity.
Click to expand...
 
Sharperthansticks said:
It's worth noting that some clones are legal because they do not violate trademark or patent laws if the original knives were not patented and had no trademarks on them, but yes, checking the forum rules is a good idea.
Click to expand...

Thank you for the comment sir. Indeed there are no brand names or even any writings on the knife besides "6AL-4V Titanium Handles, Bohler M390 Microclean Blade" etched on the back of the handle. So I guess this makes the knife 'legal' unless this particular combination of blade and handle shape is trademark copyrighted by 'Strider Knives'. I guess this is also the same reason that Ganzo is able to make similar shaped knives to many name brands and yet are still able to widely sell their knives in the US; also the fact that Samier Knives is able to have at least 4274 transactions on eBay while not being sanctioned or removed by eBay.
 
The knife needs to be removed. Call it whatever you want it’s still a copy.

EBay is the worst example you could use. As long as an item sells whether it’s genuine or not they get their cut.
 
Question though, can we sell Ganzo knives here then? I've seen it sold, but technically many of their knives are 'copies'.
 
seems to me the fact you called it a clone made all the differance..i could be wrong, but your basically saying, and bought it as a "strider copy" at a lower price...i mean right? otherwise why say clone?
 
Warkaven said:
Question though, can we sell Ganzo knives here then? I've seen it sold, but technically many of their knives are 'copies'.
Click to expand...

Only Ganzo knives that are not a clone of someone else’s design may be sold here. For example the Sanrenmu 910 land could not be sold here because it is a Sebenza clone. This is despite the fact that it doesn’t say sebenza or chris reeve knives anywhere on it.
 
Lapedog said:
Only Ganzo knives that are not a clone of someone else’s design may be sold here. For example the Sanrenmu 910 land could not be sold here because it is a Sebenza clone. This is despite the fact that it doesn’t say sebenza or chris reeve knives anywhere on it.
Click to expand...
Oh wow really? Do you have any links to said discussions? or where an administrator makes such statements? I would like to read those to get a feel for what's allowed and not allowed here, thanks.
 
Warkaven said:
Oh wow really? Do you have any links to said discussions? or where an administrator makes such statements? I would like to read those to get a feel for what's allowed and not allowed here, thanks.
Click to expand...

Again, if you just read down to the bottom of the rules. It’s all there...
 
Warkaven said:
Oh wow really? Do you have any links to said discussions? or where an administrator makes such statements? I would like to read those to get a feel for what's allowed and not allowed here, thanks.
Click to expand...
You could PM a moderator, they should be able to answer any questions you have.
 
Warkaven said:
Oh wow really? Do you have any links to said discussions? or where an administrator makes such statements? I would like to read those to get a feel for what's allowed and not allowed here, thanks.
Click to expand...
Warkhaven, I think many of us are willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but both the mod and the section quoted by halden.doerge quite clearly answer your question. We're on your side, but it's a very good idea to follow what the mod is instructing you to do, and if you have further questions, take it up with them. Welcome to the forum, by the way.
 
I mean I'm not asking for a benefit of the doubt or even care for it, I just want to know clearly what's allowed or not allowed. It's hard to know if a Ganzo knife is original design or a copy of another knife. Also stuff like the Factor Iconic which isn't an exact copy of a Giant Mouse knife but some people seem to think so, it could be argued one way or another. I could also argue that the Kizer Wanderer looks like the GM1. Lines blur when things like that are concerned. It'd probably be helpful if a line about not able to sell clones/copys/homages is inserted under the actual Selling Rules.
 
Warkaven said:
Oh wow really? Do you have any links to said discussions? or where an administrator makes such statements? I would like to read those to get a feel for what's allowed and not allowed here, thanks.
Click to expand...

Check post number 6 of this thread. That post is made by not only a moderator but a senior moderator.
 
Warkaven said:
I mean I'm not asking for a benefit of the doubt or even care for it, I just want to know clearly what's allowed or not allowed. It's hard to know if a Ganzo knife is original design or a copy of another knife. Also stuff like the Factor Iconic which isn't an exact copy of a Giant Mouse knife but some people seem to think so, it could be argued one way or another. I could also argue that the Kizer Wanderer looks like the GM1. Lines blur when things like that are concerned. It'd probably be helpful if a line about not able to sell clones/copys/homages is inserted under the actual Selling Rules.
Click to expand...

Best to err on the side of caution. If two knives look similar that is likely not enough. Imho the wanderer looks nothing like the GM1. Generally if the knife has an original designer attatched to it such as Lundquist and the Wanderer then it is not considered a clone. With abit of common sense you can usually figure if it is a clone or not. If it is made by a brand that specializes in making clones that is good reason to be suspicious.

The GM1 and Factor Iconic are debatable and there might be some special cases like this that are but generally copies are out of China. I believe people have decided that the Factor Iconic is in essence a clone. Most reputable dealers have pulled it from their stock at the request of Jesper Voxnaes since he felt it too closely mimicked his design.

Don’t even ask me about the Microtech Matrix. I don’t kniw why that is allowed.
 
Warkaven

It seems like the answer you’re looking for is to where the line is. That really can’t be answered definitively/finitely as there are hundreds of new designs every single day. As it applies to bladeforums the knife you listed was clearly not allowed.
 
Sharperthansticks said:
Warkhaven, I think many of us are willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but both the mod and the section quoted by halden.doerge quite clearly answer your question. We're on your side, but it's a very good idea to follow what the mod is instructing you to do, and if you have further questions, take it up with them. Welcome to the forum, by the way.
Click to expand...

'We' are not on the side of someone who willingly tries to sell an admitted copy of another maker's design, don't try to pass your opinion off like you represent anybody but yourself as your opinions are not shared by the majority of the forum members here.
 
KingMC said:
'We' are not on the side of someone who willingly tries to sell an admitted copy of another maker's design, don't try to pass your opinion off like you represent anybody but yourself as your opinions are not shared by the majority of the forum members here.
Click to expand...
It seems to me that you presume to speak for the majority of forum members, in your statement; all of a sudden you're their spokesperson? All I was trying to say was that we believe that it was an honest error since he is new to the forum; I think that was a fair and generous thing to say.

Get the f--k off my back and find something better to do with your time than start fights with strangers on the Internet.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top