CM-154 v. AUS8

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If you are going to order a SOG online make sure and ask the dealer to check if your knife has up/down bladeplay -and to give you a non-defective one.

SOG does not stick to their warrantee service if your knife has bladeplay; they refuse to fix it or replace it.

They are currently screwing me with a SOG Flash 2 that I sent back. It had a lot of up and down blade play. Just make a note when you buy it, if you buy online. If you buy in person you will be fine.
 
Is better at overall specifications fair?

No it is not.

What I'm trying to get at is that every alloy has a blend of properties and unless you identify the properties you are comparing, you cannot say one alloy is better than another. I've never come across any alloy that out-performed another alloy in every property. Because the properties are a trade-off. To get more of one, you have to give up some of another.

You can say that one alloy has better edge retention than another.
You can say that one alloy is tougher than another.
You can say that one alloy is easier to sharpen than another.
You can say that one alloy maintains a fine edge longer than another.

You can even say, "For my uses, I find this alloy better than that one." Because what your are saying that the blend of properties of the alloy works better for YOUR needs. Somebody else may have different needs and the properties of the other alloy may be a better blend for HIM.

But you cannot say, "This alloy is better than that one." Not until you identify the properties being compared.

And for my daily uses, I still prefer 154CM.
 
No it is not.

What I'm trying to get at is that every alloy has a blend of properties and unless you identify the properties you are comparing, you cannot say one alloy is better than another. I've never come across any alloy that out-performed another alloy in every property. Because the properties are a trade-off. To get more of one, you have to give up some of another.

You can say that one alloy has better edge retention than another.
You can say that one alloy is tougher than another.
You can say that one alloy is easier to sharpen than another.
You can say that one alloy maintains a fine edge longer than another.

You can even say, "For my uses, I find this alloy better than that one." Because what your are saying that the blend of properties of the alloy works better for YOUR needs. Somebody else may have different needs and the properties of the other alloy may be a better blend for HIM.

But you cannot say, "This alloy is better than that one." Not until you identify the properties being compared.

And for my daily uses, I still prefer 154CM.

Fair enough - I'm with you
 
Both are excellent steels. I find AUS-8 in my Voyagers to be highly rust resistant -- I carry one when jogging so it gets soaked with sweat and has yet to show any rust. (I do rinse it off after but that's all.) On the other hand, I did notice a speck of rust on the edge of my BassPro 110 in CPM154 the other day -- I hadn't dried it thoroughly after rinsing it after cutting some veggies.
 
In my own personal experience, I find 154CM (RC57-59) to be superior to AUS8 (RC57-59) in terms of wear resistance. I havn't had problems with either steel rusting or chipping. Cheers.
 
knarfeng, I'd just like to say that I apologize if my previous post came off snotty. I understand and respect your point of view. :)
 
James,
Sorry. I have a short fuse.
Frank
 
I'll add one comment. Without defining the applications or properties one wants, I could generalize by saying that I would probably choose 154CM over AUS-8 for a folder and I would go for AUS-8 or 440C for a fixed blade knife. Hardness is usually a more important attribute in short folder blades and toughness is more important in long fixed blades in my opinion.
 
James_Terrio wrote "Ever notice you don't see them in custom/handmade knives?" (I am assuming you mean the 440A to B series of stainless)

It's not how big it is it's how you use it.

Randall one of the kings of knife making uses 440B in his stainless blades, and charges more money for it than his O1 versions (his O1 has ~10% more edge retention according to his web site.) In fact a recent test was performed by a Bladeforums member and the results posted on blade forums. A Randall knife in 440B outperformed a Busse Sarsquatch, WHICH IS NO EASY TASK, BUSSES ARE TOUGH. See
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=645414&highlight=busse+competition+sarsquatch

I always say the right tools (in this case steel) for the right job, in addition a properly made (heat treated etc...) low end/low price steel will outperform an improperly made/heated treated super duper hype of the year steel any day.


(translated to usually mean mass produced using cheap labor or any other form of manufacturing/Knifemaker neglect)


On top of that I will also add that you can probably heat treat and make different steels do what you want (I seem to remember a Strider S30V blade at knife tests taking a tremendous amount of abuse before failure, it amazed me) but why go through all the expense and trouble when the exact same thing or close enough to the same can be accomplished using a more economical easier to work with steel. Stainless steels are harder to get right from what I have read (hence Randalls higher price for stainless if you want rust resistance) and the powdered metal steels (CPM etc..) are even harder.

There is also the trade off that occurs when a steel is treated to optimize it for tasks which are to be expected of it, such as edge retention at the sacrifice of toughness, and vice versa. Although this is not always the case, there is still no super do it all steel. There are always tradeoffs in some form or another.


Knifeoutlet wrote

"I'll add one comment. Without defining the applications or properties one wants, I could generalize by saying that I would probably choose 154CM over AUS-8 for a folder and I would go for AUS-8 or 440C for a fixed blade knife. Hardness is usually a more important attribute in short folder blades and toughness is more important in long fixed blades in my opinion"

That is a perfect example of what I mean.

So the question is what do you intend to use your knife for? then we will talk about the steel to use.
 
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Different steels lend themselves better to making the type of tools that exploit their properties the best.

Again there is no do it all master steel that I am aware of and I strongly suspect anyone else either.
 
The Spyderco Respect Bowie Fixed Blade Knife 7.94" Clip Point CPM-154 Stainless Steel knife looks great. The price is just out of my range.
 
The Spyderco Respect Bowie Fixed Blade Knife 7.94" Clip Point CPM-154 Stainless Steel knife looks great. The price is just out of my range.

Off topic. This thread was about comparing the properties of two alloys. If you want to talk about a specific knife, please start a new thread..
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