Codger "UNSHEATHED"......

El Lobo

El Lobo

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Well, it is quite obvious that our own Codger is a knowledgeable user/collector of FOLDING knives by his thread about the Colonial knife version of the UH897.


Who knew?............. :D :D

Well done, sir... :thumbup:

Bill
 
Deep down inside, Codger knows that FOLDERS RULE!!! He just has to keep up that rugged outdoorsy image.
 
Collapsing knives certainly have their place in the world of tools. Every man and woman should carry one. However, as any true outdoorsman will tell you, a serious knife for heavy chores has a fixed blade. Can you imagine Crocodile Dundee with a itty bitty folding knife? Paul Hogan said it all.."Now THIS..is a knife!" How about James Bowie? Would we have ever even heard of him had he not carried the butcher knife to the sandbar fight? General Fre'mont? His famous mapping treks would have ended high in the mountains that winter without the ability to reduce a mule into meat. Wouldn't old Hugh Glass have been in a fix with a tiny folder? Sargent York, the hero from the Tennessee hills? Christopher Carson? Even Charles Bent carried a Green River blade. I tell you, to Danial Boone, a knife had to have a good long fixed blade of carbon steel, as he carried a Hudson's Bay scalper he took from a warrior most of his life. And don't forget David Crockett. He prefered the dagger blade some call the "Arkansas Toothpick". When not weilding a spear gun, Mike Nelson sheathed a fixed blade knife. What better endorsement is there than that?

I have made a deer into meat with a broken coke bottle, and with a tiny Craftsman version of the Mighty Mite 18OT, but the chore is much easier with an apropriate fixed blade knife. And Schrade was well known for theirs. George's Stagbrand handle style becane the norm for Pal, Western, Case, Kinfolks, and a dozen other companies over the years.

Yep, some guys are satisfied with a limp one, hoping to get it up when called for. Me, I'd rather it be rigid all the time, not likely to let you down when you need to whip it out at a moment's notice.

Codger :D
 
You know THEY suggest that after 4 hours of total "Rigidness" you contact the emergency hospital...... :eek:

Be that as it may, the "Multiple Angle" knife is all many of us can carry to/from/at work. So a limiting "FIXED" blade may have been good 3000...er, 150 years ago, but may scare the "Sheeple" today. Still a fixed blade is a good kitchen knife....(Incoming!).

It is better to be heeled than naked when the need arises.
I'm pretty sure someone famous said that, sometime, somewhere..... :)

We still respect your old fashioned point of view Codger....snicker, snicker, snurff, hooey... :D
 
I apreciate that Lobo. I do quite well understand the fear people have of a real knife now days. Heck, you might actually defend yourself with it, heaven forbid!

And I understand that some real men use those folders and nothing else. I use one myself in my work. But I am not afraid of stampeding the sheeple by wearing a real knife in open carry on my hip either. Most knife laws (and gun)refer to conceiled carry. I don't know that I would care to live in a place (or time) when a good sheath knife is forbidden in the posession of a law abiding citizen, and everyone has to hide a folded up miniature version in her purse, pocket, or shoe.

Fixed blades do work well from the field to the kitchen, beyond simply peeling an apple. I'll be hunting Russian Boar with one this fall. I think a 15OT would make a dandy pig sticker. Now, if my quarry were scorpions, I might choose something tiny and easily hidden. I mean, you don't want the scorpion to know you are armed, right?. ;)

Codger
 
All in good fun, my man.

Any knife is so much better than none. I, growing up loving/carrying knives (yes, yes, even FIXED blade knives) cannot imagine not having 1,2,3 knives on my person. Nothing like the sight of someone opening/cutting something with a car key... :barf:

Not a truce, you understand, but acceptance of all types of cutlery.

Bill













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When using a knife for self defense many people have there particular favorites. I find this stainless 778 gentlemans knife serves better than most when used in the manner shown in the attached picture. I call it a Schrade Walden 778, 41 Mag conversion. By the way the next time you see someone cutting something with a car key you might want to look a bit closer like most things in life, things are not always as we first see them. This old hollow handle ( shell) knife was made by Hammer ( ie imperial ) later called Imperial Schrade. So it is kind of a releation in any event in those says these were sold blank and then cut to your new cars ignition key. Pretty cool when you took your baby out in that powder blue 56 ford convertable. Of course in those days a lot of time was spent in the back seat so you could not see the ignition. Oh well I still have the knife and at least it still works. LT PS they do say people who own large handguns phychologically are compensating for other deficencys I wonder if there is something to that although for everyday wear I just carry a small auto 22. I only take the 41 when I go on a date. Which is why it looks so new.
 
Hah!

You got me on the key thing (that's a VERY cool knife LT.....er, ah, BOTH of them ;) ). That's what you get for being figurative around here.... :foot:

In fact, I carry one of these on my key ring (minus the antler tine) and they are great.

I guess you might even call it a fixed blade.

Bill
 
El Lobo said:
:foot:

In fact, I carry one of these on my key ring (minus the antler tine) and they are great. I guess you might even call it a fixed blade.

Bill
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AHA! Out of the closet he comes!!! Yes, that is a fixed blade knife. An adaptation of a Southwest Anasazi design dating back a thousand years. Anasazi is a Navajo word meaning "Ancient Ones", or "The old ones who came before". Loosely translated, they were "Old Timers". And they carried fixed blades.

Their original version of this fixed blade had an obsidian blade which might be one reason why they disappeared from history leaving us with only their cliff dwellings and a few meager artifacts. Obsidian is volcanic glass and so from this comes the wise old saying that people who use glass knives shouldn't throw them at stones. But what do you expect from people whose major food and trade item is pine nuts and pots. Remember Euell Gibbons? Abby Hoffman? :D

Codger
 
What's all this mumbo jumbo about Indians, pine trees, POT, and Abbie Hoffman??
Could this be a VERY loose tie to the VOTING thread and my inference to Chicago (7) style voting?? (By the way...VOTE if you haven't you're running out of time).

I'm quite sure the Navajo people would've made FOLDING "Ancient Ones".....if they had just had a good supply of Delrin.

I don't know "Jack" about those obsequious knives you're talking about. I've never found any around here in the ruins. And believe me, I checked Taliesin, The Biltmore, even Bullhead City..... :confused: :D



Bill
 
For a good fixed blade I like Stiga from Sweden, check out this titanium blade:

http://www.ceebd.co.uk/williamthornton/titan.htm

I know that you are not fond of Chinese blades but I have had one if these for years, it is good and of course not expensive:

http://www.hiquasports.com/pingpong/bDHpf4-032pen.htm

Off Topic: Hey if Sweden can compete with China in this blades, surely the USA can compete with China in our kind of blades, perhaps it'll just take some time to educate the public...

Luis

Edited to post a link to a picture of some of my blades, fixed blades are from China, USA and Japan, folders are from France:

http://tinypic.com/9r3pti.jpg
 
LT, they must have better gunsmiths in New York. Of course it is a Sunday here in Michigan, so this is the best I could get done with my .38 snubbie and 778 on short notice. Will be hard to get it into the holster.

The snub nose .38 was the gun real cops, the good guys, carried on TV during my youth. I also read Elmer Kieth at an early age (my parents considered firearms and the study of them not at all dishonorable or troublesome to them in the least-- that was well before Columbine, however).
LT you must have read some Elmer Keith as well, as you seem to have faith in the caliber he was most instrumental in developing.

The military saw fit to issue me a Colt Gov't .45 at one point in my life. It was older than I was. And I didn't trust all that sliding and slamming and the witches brew of mechanics inside of it. A trade to a chopper pilot netted me two things that I knew I could trust: An S&W .38 and a Jet Pilot pilot knife by Camillus (that's a FIXED BLADE, gents). The net vest with holster and sheath attached was a bonus.

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Oh Luis. Luis, Luis, Luis. (shaking my head).

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Mike Nelson would have carried a .38 if he hadn't spent all his time underwater.

Phil
 

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I think I found a proper holster:

Luis

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OMG!

Excellent choices all the way around, Luis!

(I think those south of the border gunsmiths are on to something)

Phil
 
Look at the versatility of the FOLDING knives shown here!!! They can be carried as Concealed Carry handgun bayonets........Brilliant!! :thumbup:

While I mentioned the lack of Delrin to use as scales in my rambling retort,...er...discussion, about the Navajos, and AARP, and Abbie Hoffman.....I should have thought that they might have used celluloid, as it WAS available in those times. Why, Luis has even shown us some celluloid that has probably survived some smashing adventures.....maybe even been used in war games.....or a "LOUNGE" type show... :eek:

You folks are more educational than 4 years in college! I sure learn a lot of cool stuff here..... :cool: :) I think UNCLE HENRY would've enjoyed it here.....Even if we are LOST SOULS... ;)

Bill
 
My dept liked the SW det spec for special duty ( escort assignments ) reg issue was the model 10 4 inch, for this model ( snubbie) I prefer the Colt ( OLD STYLE ) I like the feel better. I bought this many years ago for 35 dollars from a fellow officer who needed a couple of dollars before payday in those days we just signed a hand written note ( receipt ) to each other . Now of course it takes Papal consent. I actually gave him 70 dollars and had the 4 inch mate which I sold years later. Please do not worry about him he went on to become the first deputy commissioner of the D.O.C.S. in NYS and now is retired and quite comfortable in Florida. When I got this I had it reblued. Black bluing with chrome cyl, push rod, ect. It happens to be the backup piece on the 41 mag carried on the same custom made El Paso Saddlery leather rig with ( repro ) federal civil war buckle . It is fairly well worn since I did shoot a fellow in a bar robbery and used it on several occasions. Not a good idea to stick up a bar late at night when I am the only one drinking and the bar tender is a 70 year old friend of mine with a heart condition. The fellow thought they were alone until I heard the conversation after coming out of the bath room. His companion is probably still running somewhere in downtown Newburgh NY . Where it has gotten so bad even I stopped drinking there, er most of the time. Strangly even now I am treated with a lot of curtesy when I go into that area of town I guess it must be my friendly smile. This rig is a left handed cross draw for the 41 and a reverse left handed SOB ( small of back ) for the 38. A nice friendly rig obviously designed for use in Sunday school. Although I also like a 45 ( I like all things that go bang ) and I do have a Gold Cup 45 Colt with the matching stag grips ( same as the 41, I had them custom made at the same time. ) and a matching rig so that I can wear the 41 and 45 together. Yes indeed I do have more toys than brains of course I could have many less toys and still be able to say this. Still they do say he who has the most toys wins. Wins what?????: LT
 
LT Those are nice.

You know in Mexico if you want to stay legal you really have to go with the 38 special, anything bigger is not allowed for civilians (9 mm is considered bigger so for autos you'd have to get .380) also we have a national gun registry and you can only get limited amounts of ammunition from the Secretary of Defense. The best guns are probably the older ones from before all the controls were in place.

There is surely plenty of anything in the black market but that's something I don't want to get into.

Luis
 
If this country enacts gun control to the extent that I am under the law forced to give them up ( I think the term is surrender them? However I am not familiar with that word and am not sure of the meaning nor will I ever be ). If ordered by law to relinquish my guns I will do so in adherence to the law and as is my duty as an American citizen. However as an american citizen and since I believe in my second amendment rights I will do so in a manner I so choose. That process will be relinquishing these firearms one piece at a time starting with the lead. A MAN WITH THE RIGHT TO HAVE A GUN IS A CITIZEN. A MAN WITHOUT THAT RIGHT IS A SUBJECT. LT
 
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