Cold Steel 1917 Frontier Bowie arrives...

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I received it only minutes before I had to head into work, so I was only able to give it a quick overall inspection. That said, I think I will have zero regrets about adding it to my collection.
I was worried about it being Windlass Steelcrafts that makes these for Cold Steel, but it really is a beauty, imo... and I am one that is pretty picky and hard to please. Seems like real effort was put into these for Cold Steel.
It came covered in some sort of preserving grease (like cosmoline thickness). I am glad about that because the blade seems to be 100% untarnished and is an awesome blue finish on it's 1055 carbon steel.
Seems like a heck of a high value on this one for one's money. I will be putting in some good time in removing the grease and getting her ready for a future display I have planned.
Really think I will be extremely happy with this purchase, if my initial inspection holds true after a closer inspection tomorrow :)

Here she is with alot of grease still on it after removing it from the box...

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This is very good to hear! I have read some reviews where the quality was lacking on the finish, edge, etc. hopefully they have gotten things squared away.
 
Thanks guys... I did have my fingers crossed, since the reviews have been mixed, from people being extremely happy, to not so much. The sharpness on my specimen is even & well done. Some have stated close to butter knife dullness... no problem with this specimen :)
I am home from work now, and another quick inspection has kept me smiling :)
 
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That's the knife every boy dreams about growing up.

They bent that 12 inch blade 5 inches in each direction and had it spring back to straight? That is impressive to me. Seems like that would be a pretty sharp angle.
 
The testing seems to be geared towards swords... and I gotta admit, I cringed at the thought of them doing that to this knife. My inspection of the blade's straighness is positive, it's nice and straight. I know 1055 steel can be springy when properly heat treated, but still cringe at the idea of putting it through such a test. Wonder why they call it the British Proof Test... As in, this is how the Brits test certain blades for their military use? Or, as in, we make swords for Brits and we have to meet this test on blades before we ship them out to them?... I don't know.

I wonder if this blade is forged by hammer and anvil method (hand forged), forged by drop forging, or made from milled barstock?
It is a beast at about 1/4" thick, and it's probably about 3" longer overall than my Ontario Marine Raider Bowie!

As for the overall look, this thing has such an old world quality look about it... The look on the online photos were not hyped up in any way :)
 
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I would not guess it is hand forged, the price would reflect it by being more expensive. As for the "British Proof" document, it's marketing information, it shows the characteristics the piece supposedly has.
 
I had an 1835 pattern infantry officer's sword with a VR cast into the guard and a brass "proof" disc inlet in the ricasso. The tests are described in the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica.
 
Though I can't say that every specimen that is out there of this model is going to be as nice as this one... I can't say one negative thing about this knife overall... It's truly an awesome addition to my collection. She has been cleaned up... and removing the preservative grease exposed a beautiful blade finish that is really darkly blued, not black. The grinds of the blade are even and is evenly polished. Handle is a dark rosewood that follows the look of something made in yesteryear, not of modern times... very nice! Again, sharpness is good (though not razor sharp), it is visually very evenly done.
The scabbard continues the old school look and quality, and though I never display scabbards/sheaths with their knives, this will be my first exception to that, because this scabbard is part of the beauty of this knife (again, that old school charm to it).
The knife has no markings which state made in India, no markings of Windlass Steelcrafts, and no markings of Cold Steel... and I find that to be kinda cool too, leaving the knife to just speak for itself.
In photos that I'm going to be putting up, you will see it next to my Estwing Black Eagle double bit axe. It will show how big this knife really is... actually being a tad bit longer overall than the Estwing! I am extremely happy with this purchase... it's like I went back in time to the mid 1800's and purchased this knife new in box, and brought it back with me. I know Windlass can be spotty.... but have also known that when they get something right, it will show exceptionally... and this does that. If Cold Steel can hold Windlass to the standard of this particular specimen, they'll do great with this model. But, I can also see the price rising quickly if they do, because this is way more knife than what they are charging for. Love this knife! :)

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Btw, another reason I'm glad this model is not stamped in any way with information, is that I believe Cold Steel named it inappropriately...
I mean, 1917 Frontier Bowie?... Nah, more like 1850 Frontier Bowie would have fit better, lol! ;)
I am kinda curious why the 1917 designation was used, though I guess it's because of the similar saber they sell with that date as model designation.
This Bowie simply looks more 1800'ish to me, but that's just my opinion, and I am certainly no expert on this subject.
All I know is that I know when I like something, and this material item, this "1917 Frontier Bowie", has me grinning this morning as if I was Ralphie on Christmas morning having received his Red Rider Daisy BB gun.... yup, that kind of happy about this knife! Out of all my current fixed blade knives in my collection, I can safely say that this is not only the largest, but also my favorite :)

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Specifications:
Weight: 23.8 oz
Blade Thickness: 1/4"
Blade Length: 12 1/4"
Handle: 5 3/8" Hardwood (rosewood)
Steel: Blued 1055 Carbon
Overall: 17 5/8"
Sheath: Leather Sheath with Blued Steel Fittings

The blade on this knife may be 1/4" thick, but the fuller (aka: blood groove), is quite deep and handsome. The tang is full in that it goes to the butt end of the handle, but not quite the full thickness of the handle. Still, the tang is also 1/4 inch thick and very substantial... it should be more than fine in it's strength. And I believe that deep fuller saves the knife from a few ounces of more overall weight. The fuller on this is functional and beautiful, all in one :)
 
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Isn't that something... I can't figure out what I would do with it, but it looks like a heckuva piece of equipment!

Lynn Thompson at Cold Steel is often used for target practice because of his over the top advertising antics. But he continues to bring knives and designs to the market that are useful and well made, rather than to churn out the same old patterns, or just mix in the same blade profiles into a new case and call it a new knife.

Thanks for the pics. I agree that the knife looks MUCH more 1800s than 1900s.

Robert
 
Isn't that something... I can't figure out what I would do with it, but it looks like a heckuva piece of equipment!

Lynn Thompson at Cold Steel is often used for target practice because of his over the top advertising antics. But he continues to bring knives and designs to the market that are useful and well made, rather than to churn out the same old patterns, or just mix in the same blade profiles into a new case and call it a new knife.

Thanks for the pics. I agree that the knife looks MUCH more 1800s than 1900s.

Robert

Yeah, I have seen the videos that Cold Steel uses, and whether some consider them over the top or not... I just simply see it as a marketing tool. Whether it's the videos, or the products, or a combination of both, it seems that they do a good job of selling products and staying in business, so I can't hate them for that :)
They do have a rather varied assortment of products, and I find that to be kinda cool :) I mean, most ain't for me, but different strokes for different folks :)
 
I'm always the curious and want to learn facts type of guy when it comes to the things I enjoy to collect. Anyhow, since the Cold Steel website does not state whether these 1917 Bowies have forged or milled from barstock blades, I sent them an email asking if they could share what method they use. Well, they responded by saying something to the effect of them not being able to disclose that info... Why not, is not really clear... but wish I could find out for my own data banks :)

Btw, on a you-tube video I watched some time ago of Windlass Steelcrafts operations in India, they were showing how Windlass forges their sword's blades. And I don't mean drop forging... I mean hot hand hammer forging with actual hammers and anvils. May seem ridiculous in the West because it's much slower and would seem to require more expensive manual labor than today's machine drop forging and less hand labor costs.. but labor in India is obviously very low compared to the West. So, for mass production in India, it could just mean tons of hand labor using old school technology. I mean, in some places in this world where labor is still fairly cheap, it's still cheaper to hire more labor, than to invest millions on newer and more efficient machines. So, there is a possibility that these 1917 Frontier Bowies made for Cold Steel in India, could be milled from barstock, made from drop forgings, or even done as they showed in Windlass' sword making videos, made of hand hammer forged steel.
For me it does not matter which of these methods were used, since all three methods can prove to end in good, middle, to bad product... but just for personal knowledge of the product, I only wish they could atleast let me know which method was used :)
Guess it will likely remain a mystery to me... since it's such a secret they will keep, lol! ;)

Here is one of Windlass' videos showing how they forge their swords, and maybe the same is done when making their traditional Bowie knives... but I just don't know. The video is obviously a marketing tool, but is still good for getting a glimpse of their forging process...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVIevDkBVKg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

My reason for thinking they may be forging them by hand, (hammer and anvil), is because of a video or two I have seen of their production methods, and the following description they offer of those methods. But, of course this is for their own branded products, and may or may not be the same as what they do for Cold Steel under contract...

Windlass Steelcrafts Manufacturing...

Once a sword or a knife is selected after careful research both historically and for accuracy, by our team of historians and designers, the master parts are made by the most skilled craftsmen, and the item is handed over to the various teams. Based on the design, cross section, and other attributes of the blade, the engineering department selects the most appropriate grade of steel based on its carbon content ranging from 1065 to 1095. The master blacksmiths then decide the size of the billet that has to be forged into a sword or a knife. Forging of the blade is not only the most time consuming process, it also requires great skill of the master smith, who works with his two assistant workers. These assistant workers learn the art of forging under the careful eye of the master, and after years of labour graduate to being smiths themselves. The billet is heated in an open hearth charcoal furnace, and the shape, cross section, length and the distal temper are hammered out. This is achieved by heating and hammering the billet/blade several times over. The master smith uses his hammer to point at the spot where his assistants need to beat with their bigger hammers, and the beat becomes a fine rhythm. All this while proper care and attention is taken not to overheat the blade at any given time, so as to prevent crystallization. The repeated heating, hammering, cooling relieves the stress of the molecular structure of the steel, which makes a hand forged sword far superior to swords made by the stock removal method employed by many modern sword makers. This art of forging has been kept alive at our factory, where the master smith passes on his knowledge and expertise to his understudies. Once the shape of the blade is hammered out, and inspection is carried out by our QC personnel, the blade is sent to the Grinding and polishing section. Highly skilled grinders then start on the forged blades using different grits of stone and belt grinders. Any imperfections from the forge are eliminated and the cross section and distal are perfected, by hand. Inspection is carried out at every step of the process. The ground blade is now ready for an initial polish, once again by highly skilled polishers. The blade is now ready for the most vital process of heat treatment, involving the twin process of hardening and tempering, which is done under the careful eye of a metallurgist, and skilled blacksmiths, using state of the art, temperature controlled electric furnaces, which have been developed exclusively for us after years of research, by internationally known furnace company. Depending on the length, cross section and the steel employed in the blade, it is heated to a certain degree and hardened by quenching it in temperature controlled oil, that is constantly running through cooling pipes. Proper measures are taken by employing specially made jigs to prevent warpage. The hardening process puts a lot of stress on the blade and it is ready for the tempering or stress relieving process, which is again carried out in a specially designed furnace, and the blades are kept at constant but lower temperatures than the hardening furnace, for a period of 45 minutes to an hour. Once the tempering process is complete, there is a window of 10 to 15 minutes, when blacksmiths take out warpage, if any, using jigs and soft metal hammers. This is a very vital process. The resulting hardness of the blade is then checked to ensure it is between, 48 to 52 Rockwell. The blades are also checked for flex and made sure they return to true after bent over 5 inches. Rockwell hardness of a blade is a relative term, the most important aspect is that the blade should not be too hard so as to become brittle and not too soft to bend and stay bent. Improper heat treatment will make the best steel perform poorly. The blade is now ready for final polish by hand and after final inspection is sent to the assembly section. During the time the blade is going through the process, parts are being made using a combination of methods, lost wax, sand casting or fabrication. Our tool room is fully equipped with several lathes, milling machines, shapers, EDM and wire cutting EDM machines to make the dies and moulds in-house. The parts are then cleaned with the help of pneumatic tools, polished by hand or specially designed proprietary machines, and are then sent for lacquer coating by electro-phoretic Swiss process. A variety of finishes can be given to the parts or the sword in this process, and in the most modern electro-plating shop equipped with all kinds of plating including 24K gold and silver. Grips, handles, and other parts of the sword are made in the wood department. The wood is first seasoned in European made Kiln, and services of highly skilled wood workers are employed coupled with the accuracy of numerous machines specially imported from the U.S., Italy and Taiwan. Similarly our leather department is fully equipped with presses, cutters, sewing machines, splitting machines (including Tippman from USA), and other Italian and Indian made machines. However, to maintain the authenticity of our historical pieces we rely on skilled leather craftsmen to hand sew each and every scabbard or grip. Every aspect from the selection of wood, leather and other raw material to the crafting of the historic piece is carefully carried out under the watchful eye of knowledgeable engineers and experienced supervisors. The resulting parts and the blades are then assembled by hand by experienced workers, and inspected before being sent to the packing department, where the swords are married to their sheaths and a last round of inspection is carried out before the packaging. This above is just an overview of the manufacturing process, involving several steps and painstaking work. Due to our commitment to constantly improve on the quality, provide better and cleaner work environment to our workforce of over 500 people, Windlass Steelcrafts has been awarded numerous awards by the Indian Government, and is fully approved by the International Standards Organisation, ISO-9002, British Ministry of Defence, United States Marine Corps, and several other countries around the world. -Windlass Steelcrafts
 
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I was looking around the mighty web, and found this picture of the Cold Steel 1917 Cutlass. It's apparently the item that the Cold Steel 1917 Frontier Bowie borrows part of it's name from. I guess the 1917 Bowie does borrow somewhat from it, like having a blued blade... but it's the sheath and scabbard where I see alot of similarity... actually, except for length, they are almost identical.

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