Cold Steel Black Sable

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silepraetor

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Hi all. Saw this one in store a week ago and I must say, it looked impressive... I know many of you here are very anti CS anything because of their tendency to unashamedly pilfer successful design/material elements from other knifemakers.. I'm wondering what your thoughts on it are if their are any owners reading this? It is dramatically steeper in price in contrast to what I usually allot to feed my addiction, so I would like some outside opinion if possible.
Also. There are no good pictures of this knife anywhere to be found. If you're willing to post something detailed, I would greatly appreciate it.
 
I like the knife but I have a hard time paying that much for a stolen design...

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CUSTOM TIGHE FROM STEELADDICTION
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We did a passaround a while back - search that forum. Plenty of info - real-use stuff.

In a nutshell - it's too big to be practical/tactical, but makes an interesting piece - laminate upswept blade, etc. Most did not like the mirror polish.
 
That one bothers me more than most of Cold Steel's shenanigans. Basically, it's a drastically overpriced knife designed to take money from people with an emerging interest in custom knives who are yet unfamiliar with Brian Tighe's design. Essentially, they're targeting people who would otherwise be graduating from most of CS's offerings and roping them back in. And we couldn't say much about it, if the designer ever got any credit (not to mention royalties) for it.

The more I learn about CS, the more I wish they made folding chairs, or trucker hats, or vacuum cleaners. Anything but knives.
 
actualy the black sable was around before the tighe pictured above. Lynn Thompson spent 5 years perfecting the design. its modeled after the symitar sword, not the custom tighe.:grumpy:


i have handled the black sable but never cut anything with it, i do however own the cold steel symitar and it is a amazing knife(thwy are exactly the same knife, the symitar is just a cheaper version of the black sable). since the two knives are very similar the black sable should perform not just as well but better than the symitar.
the knife came out of the box extreamly sharp, in fact the sharpest knife i have ever owned, it has a realy nice grip that fits in your hand well and works for a variety of hand positions(hammer grip, thumb re-enforced, reverse grip).
the blade flips out very smoothly, and locks up tight. i tested its cutting ability on a gatorade bottle, with one troke i managed to smoothly cut it in half. the scmitar styled point makes this knife realy great for pncturing targets as well, though i havnt tested this against anything harder than some bottles. its definantly the best self defense oriented folder i own, i would by the black sable in a heart-beat

it is the only knife in my entire colection that i have no complaints about:D

ive seen the black sable go for 200$ not too bad for a folder.
 
wannabemarine said:
actualy the black sable was around before the tighe pictured above. Lynn Thompson spent 5 years perfecting the design. its modeled after the symitar sword, not the custom tighe.:grumpy:


i have handled the black sable but never cut anything with it, i do however own the cold steel symitar and it is a amazing knife(thwy are exactly the same knife, the symitar is just a cheaper version of the black sable). since the two knives are very similar the black sable should perform not just as well but better than the symitar.
the knife came out of the box extreamly sharp, in fact the sharpest knife i have ever owned, it has a realy nice grip that fits in your hand well and works for a variety of hand positions(hammer grip, thumb re-enforced, reverse grip).
the blade flips out very smoothly, and locks up tight. i tested its cutting ability on a gatorade bottle, with one troke i managed to smoothly cut it in half. the scmitar styled point makes this knife realy great for pncturing targets as well, though i havnt tested this against anything harder than some bottles. its definantly the best self defense oriented folder i own, i would by the black sable in a heart-beat

it is the only knife in my entire colection that i have no complaints about:D

ive seen the black sable go for 200$ not too bad for a folder.
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1) Exactly how long before the Tighe knife?

2) Exactly the same, eh? So, these knives (the Scimitar and the Black Sable) have the same point profile (they're both "tanto" styled)? They have the same butt portion of the handle? They have the same finger grooves? They have the same cross section shape in the handle? I don't think you have a clue as to what you're talking about.

Oh, BTW, if you're going to talk about a knife, you may want learn how to properly spell it. It is spelled Scimitar.

Regards,
3G
 
robertmegar said:
I like the knife but I have a hard time paying that much for a stolen design...

COLD STEEL
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CUSTOM TIGHE FROM STEELADDICTION
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The Scimitar looks nothing like the Black Sable.

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The Black sable is a blatant rip off, right down to the number of grooves on the thumbramp.
 
sorry about the spelling,
you must be stupid if you think that is a tanto style blade

next time you should learn your blade profiles before you inform people that they dont know what they are talking about.:D

i checked the brian tighe website, it seems this is a fairly new design. both of the cold steel models have been around for a while, and were bieng designed for 5 years prevous to that.

in addition this isnt an original knife, idea, or model IT IS MODELED AFTER THE SCIMITAR SWORD so cold steel, mteck, and brian tighe stole it from the arabs.

the black sable and the tighe are also very diffrent, notice how the black sable has a different locking sytem? and how the bevel and swedge DO NOT MEET, this makes the blades compleatly diffrent, the black sable is tip up cary, has less bolsters, has a rounded handle as aposed to flat, has a lanyard hole........i could go on and on
 
Well than. I have decided to buy it. Thank you for you insights. Anyone have any pics besides the standard corporate fare?
 
Wannabemarine, about the only resemblance those knives have to scimitars is that both have upswept blades. There is a kissaki (tip) on many Japanese blades that much more resembles the tip on these knives than does that blade style resemble a scimitar. Maybe it is you that should learn your blade profiles before you start calling people stupid.

Could you please show me where you got your information that CS were developing the Black Sable for five years before it was released.

The blade designs are slightly different, not completely different as you have stated. There is much more similarity between the blades than there is differences.
 
wannabemarine said:
next time you should learn your blade profiles before you inform people that they dont know what they are talking about.:D
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You are doing a fine job of informing everyone that you don't know what you are talking about. :thumbup:
 
wannabemarine said:
IT IS MODELED AFTER THE SCIMITAR SWORD so cold steel, mteck, and brian tighe stole it from the arabs.
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Sure it wasn't the persians? :rolleyes:
 
Martini said:
Basically, it's a drastically overpriced knife designed to take money from people with an emerging interest in custom knives who are yet unfamiliar with Brian Tighe's design. Essentially, they're targeting people who would otherwise be graduating from most of CS's offerings and roping them back in.
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You say this like it's a bad thing.
 
Nimick said:
Sure it wasn't the persians? :rolleyes:
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"Persian word for "sword" It has come to refer to a type of sabre with a curve that is considered radical for a sword: 15 to 30 degrees from tip to tip. Although the name has been associated by popular etymology with the city of Shamshir (which in turn means "curved like the lion's tail") the word has been used to mean "sword" since ancient times, as attested by the Pahlavi word šmšyl, and the Ancient Greek σαμψήρα (glossed as "foreign sword.")

Typical pre-Islamic Iranian blades seem to have been straight, as shown in the picture of the Sassanid sword here (also see Acinaces). The curved scimitar blades became popular after the Mongol invasions. The sword now called "shamshir" was popularized in Persia by the early 16th century, and had "relatives" in Turkey (the kilic), Mughal India (the talwar), and the adjoining Arabian world (the saif). These blades all were developed from the ubiquitous parent sword, the Turko-Mongol saber. Shamshir at times was called 'samsir'; this is usually taken to be the root of the word scimitar, though the Oxford English Dictionary considers this uncertain. Scimitar is now a more inclusive (though perhaps inaccurate) term.

The shamshir is a one-handed, curved sword featuring a slim blade that has almost no taper until the very tip. Instead of being worn upright, it is worn horizontally, with the hilt and tip pointing up. It was normally used for slashing unarmored opponents either on foot or mounted; while the tip could be used for thrusting, the drastic curvature of blade made accuracy difficult. Like Japanese blades, there is no pommel and it is quilloned with a simple Crossguard. The tang of the blade is covered by slabs of bone, ivory, wood, or other material fastened by pins or rivets to form the grip.

The shamshir was similar in design to its contemporaries, the Indian Talwar and the Saif."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamshir
 
silepraetor said:
Well than. I have decided to buy it. Thank you for you insights. Anyone have any pics besides the standard corporate fare?
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You dont seems to have learned that much if you are still buying it. Why would you want to patronize cold steal when you can get more bang for your buck from many other manufacturer's. I urge you to reconsider. Cold steel uses second rate materials. Throw in questionable business practices and it really doesnt seem like an informed choice.
 
I didn't participate in the passaround so you all are free to dispute me, but it looks like the Blake Sable, in additional to the possible rip off of design, is basically a Taiwan made knife that most other companies would sell for $75 retail, but which cold steel wants $250 for.

It seem like a HUGE ripoff in my perhaps ignorant opinion.
 
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