Cold Steel Black Sable

I just traded for one and it does not have AUS8 steel it has San Mai III. It may be one of the sharpest knives I have handled and built like a tank. THANK YOU! Kevin
 
kda89508 said:
I just traded for one and it does not have AUS8 steel it has San Mai III. It may be one of the sharpest knives I have handled and built like a tank. THANK YOU! Kevin
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San Mai III is AUS 8 Steel, San Mai just means it is laminated.
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
San Mai III is AUS 8 Steel, San Mai just means it is laminated.
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This is not logical. San Mai uses 2 different types of steel in the layering process. AUS-8 is only one steel type. Maybe San Mai uses AUS-8 as the outer layer, I don't know, but it surely is not the same as AUS-8.

ALso, here is a quote from CS:
This laminate (San Mai 3) is 25% stronger than the incredibly tough AUS 8A stainless.
 
Some of the San Mai III knives are 400 series outer and VG1 inner and some are 400 series outer and AUS8 inner. The Black Sable is 400 outer and AUS8 inner. I like to get the facts! Thank You! Kevin And the Black Sable is one AWESOME KNIFE!
 
bladeprince said:
This is not logical. San Mai uses 2 different types of steel in the layering process. AUS-8 is only one steel type. Maybe San Mai uses AUS-8 as the outer layer, I don't know, but it surely is not the same as AUS-8.

ALso, here is a quote from CS:
This laminate (San Mai 3) is 25% stronger than the incredibly tough AUS 8A stainless.
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Laminated steel Has a cutting edge laminated between two softer layers.

Cold steel's laminate is AUS8 in the center, so it is not better than AUS8, it is AUS8.
The only difference is it will be more flexible, as laminated blades tend to be.

Cold steel of course, spins this flexibility as being stronger, since the blade is less likely to snap when bent (but it will also bend more easily).

in your quote is more marketing nonsense from cold steel- "incredibly tough AUS 8A" :rolleyes: Ha!

and some fancy footwork to avoid saying that the cutting edge of their so-called "premium" San Mai III that they charge premium prices for is still plain old AUS 8A.
 
kda89508 said:
Some of the San Mai III knives are 400 series outer and VG1 inner and some are 400 series outer and AUS8 inner. The Black Sable is 400 outer and AUS8 inner. I like to get the facts! Thank You! Kevin And the Black Sable is one AWESOME KNIFE!
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Then maybe you would like this "fact" from the CS web site:

The Master Tanto has a laminated blade, the Japanese term is San Mai (three layers), with a core of 8A steel and sides of 420J2.

I'm guessing this applies to the Black Sable also. But since it's a guess, it is not a fact...:D
 
I can only tell you what they said when I called them right before I posted. That is straight from their mouth. I usually take that as a fact. THANK YOU! Kevin
 
kda89508 said:
Some of the San Mai III knives are 400 series outer and VG1 inner and some are 400 series outer and AUS8 inner. The Black Sable is 400 outer and AUS8 inner.
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That is utterly pathetic. They charge a premium for AUS-8????:barf: :barf:

It also appers the dont even have a standard for their "prmium" materials.

You have no clue what your getting!!!!:eek: :eek: :barf: :barf:

WHY WOULD YOU PATRONIZE LT????

For the asking price you could get something with S30V


LIKE A SEBENZA.
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
Laminated steel Has a cutting edge laminated between two softer layers.

Cold steel's laminate is AUS8 in the center, so it is not better than AUS8, it is AUS8.
The only difference is it will be more flexible, as laminated blades tend to be.

Cold steel of course, spins this flexibility as being stronger, since the blade is less likely to snap when bent (but it will also bend more easily).

in your quote is more marketing nonsense from cold steel- "incredibly tough AUS 8A" :rolleyes: Ha!

and some fancy footwork to avoid saying that the cutting edge of their so-called "premium" San Mai III that they charge premium prices for is still plain old AUS 8A.
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I chuckled also when I read "incredibly tough AUS-8". A good working steel but a little hyped with those ajectives.

Maybe swords need to bend but for short blades (i.e. folders), couldn't AUS-8 be the outer layer and something harder, maybe with an RC of 60-62, be the center? A San Mia like that might get my attention. But AUS-8 and 420JS just doesn't seem worth the money.
 
bladeprince said:
I chucked also when I read "incredibly tough AUS-8". A good working steel but a little hyped with those ajectives.

Maybe swords need to bend but for short blades (i.e. folders), couldn't AUS-8 be the outer layer and something harder, maybe with an RC of 60-62, be the center? A San Mia like that might get my attention. But AUS-8 and 420JS just doesn't seem worth the money.
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I agree.

I can only think of one rea$on Cold $teel doe$n't ever upgrade to better $teel. . .
 
I knew the sides were 420J2, but for some reason I thought the middle layer was something really hard, like Carbon V (whatever that is now). What's the point in sandwiching a marginal steel between two layers of a crappy steel? The manufacturing costs must be similar to just using a good steel like VG-10. I guess they needed it to be shiny.

This is simply outrageous pricing. No wonder people call them Cold Steal.

me said:
Essentially, they're targeting people who would otherwise be graduating from most of CS's offerings and roping them back in.
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shecky said:
You say this like it's a bad thing.
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Well, it's only bad for the buyer. And for custom knifemakers. Both are getting ripped off. But it's good for the poor, starving people like Lynn Thompson. He barley fills out those tight shorts of his!
 
wannabemarine said:
you must be stupid if you think that is a tanto style blade
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For the record, are you actually stating that the Cold Steel Black Sable does not have an upswept, tanto styled blade?


Regards,
3G
 
Martini said:
Well, it's only bad for the buyer. And for custom knifemakers. Both are getting ripped off. But it's good for the poor, starving people like Lynn Thompson. He barley fills out those tight shorts of his!
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This is silly. Nobody is forced to buy Cold Steel knives. If Thompson can successfully convince folks to buy his wares and come back for more in competition with custom knifemakers, more power to him. Especially if they are all junk, as claimed over and over on this forum.

If Tighe feels his property is being stolen, he can always sue.
 
DaveH said:
I didn't participate in the passaround so you all are free to dispute me, but it looks like the Blake Sable, in additional to the possible rip off of design, is basically a Taiwan made knife that most other companies would sell for $75 retail, but which cold steel wants $250 for.

It seem like a HUGE ripoff in my perhaps ignorant opinion.
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It is actually Seki (Japan) made, but other than that, I agree with what you have stated.

The Spyderco Persian (Ed Shempp) is a much better, fairly similarly styled knife in my opinion, and for a much more reasonable price, too.

Regards,
3G
 
I'm a Cold Steel fan (among other companies) and I find the price to be a little ridiculous myself. Laminated steel and titanium liners/bolsters or not, I wouldn't pay that much for one.

And yes, it is definately an upswept tanto. Right down to the hollow ground main section, and the flat ground tip section.

If I was going to get one of their "high end folders" it would be either the Black Talon or the Hatamoto.
 
wow tanto has a point here.

i went back to king of knives (overpriced knife store in thousand oaks, ca) and handled the knife, the blade is straight towards the end not curved, my bad. but i think the overall design of the knife owes more to the persian scimitar.
 
its a blatant unlicensed copy of tighes knife, what are ya saying "dont belive your lying eyes lol" ??

i just dont think any CS folder is worth that kinda $$, thank ya kevin.
 
For the kind of money this knife sells for they should be using a top notch laminate, like ZDP-189 between two layers of ATS-34.
 
Hey where's danger-Rs1 or whatever to tell is what a wonderful knife it is?
 
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