Cold Steel downhill?

Not much choice there. Did you read the rest of the thread? When Camillus went out of business, there was no more Carbon V.
 
I don't care who makes their stuff as long as its good quailty and a value, like some others said already cold steel is a weapons design company and I like weapons.
 
This frickin thread started out to be about knives. Lets leave LT out of it. I don't care what he does with his free time as long as it is legal. I don't care what he puts on his web site as long as it is legal.

Either discuss the knives or leave off.
 
I was under the impression that Carbon V steel was not a specific steel. If that's the case, couldn't CS just find another supplier/maker of a good carbon steel and call that carbon V?
 
JRB said:
I was under the impression that Carbon V steel was not a specific steel. If that's the case, couldn't CS just find another supplier/maker of a good carbon steel and call that carbon V?
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That was true at one time, but when Camillus went under, a lot of the inner workings came out. Cold Steel was shopping around for a replacement manufacturer, and decided not to resurrect the old deception. It would have been too obvious that it wasn't the same Carbon V, so why bother?
 
JRB said:
I was under the impression that Carbon V steel was not a specific steel. If that's the case, couldn't CS just find another supplier/maker of a good carbon steel and call that carbon V?
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Not true. You didn't read the links provided earlier in this thread. Read the thread here:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=449440

Read post 17 and beyond, paying attention to the posts of Phil Gibbs. Phil Gibbs worked at Camillus for many years.
 
The main appeal for me with CS is they make folders that
push the envelope. I love my 6 in. Ti Lite. Maybe I'll
get a Rajah next. Their fixed blades I don't care for.
 
im thinking of getting that cold steel black rock hunter. anyone have one of those?? looks like another big strong cold steel knife for low price.
 
3mptin3ss said:
im thinking of getting that cold steel black rock hunter. anyone have one of those?? looks like another big strong cold steel knife for low price.
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I have one.

The Black Rock Hunter is another one of Cold Steel's recent knives meant to be opened and closed little, but with a very reliable locking mechanism. I like the blade shape and it is comfortable in the hand. Seems the knife would be a decent folding light camp knife (too small for chopping and such) or something to drop in the emergency bag.
 
It's very light, very strong, and very flat. Even better, it's very inexpensive. :D Give it a try. It's a lot like the Pocket Bushman in that it makes a lot of folks scratch their heads, but it's a good solid knife.
 
I don't buy CS knives, but I've got nothing against them. I use them to inform me of the market. When I "need" a tomahawk for example, I look at their prices and then say "Wow, I can get a Cold Creek Forge one, made by a great guy with his own hands in the U.S. for just a little more." or when I look over a kukri, I say "why not spend that $ to support the guys at HI, making them in the country that gave rise to the design?" CS unknowingly are the manufacturers that make me value the work done by true artists.
 
John T Wylie Jr said:
that depends... when you publish an article such as :
http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/csstoreonline/article6.pdf ( see page 2 on ).

then turn around and offer:

http://www.coldsteel.com/steeltiger.html

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I'm not a basher, hater, or fan boy but the two articles you point out are not necessarily contradictory since the second begins with:

"Cold Steel has always contended that the Karambit is a specialized style of knife with unique but limited uses. It is also, however, quite popular. So, in response to the many requests from our customers. . . . . ."

Pretty much says it all in a nutshell.
 
I HATE THE Sheaths !!!!!
but the style and uses are okay Got a recon folder that I picked up at the P.X over here in the sand and it took a little work but was pretty good when I was done with it . got a spike and a push dagger great blades but the sheaths make the useless to me over here. the recon sheath knife did fine here and in the jungle .I got 10 kudos for give always and for a cheap knife ....well the people liked them and they were cheap....Heck I even carried one of the whips that they sell and it was a winner for crowd control. the XXc i got did good at chopping and was an easy carry for a large folder . the T Lites well they were a let down . but that kind of blade aint made for spreading peanut butter . Some of my friends carry the Sbk ( i think that is the name) and they are pleased with the performance .For a folder Most are carrying BenchMades. and of course CRKT are all over the place here.Its what the P.X. sells.
It would be GREAT if they offered a leather sheath. That is one of the Main selling points of the K.Bars is the Leather Sheaths. About the Vidoes I got a few and the guys think they are cool. its something to see and watch . and thats a big plus over here. Like hay man I got one of those knives or I gotta get one of them . Hay Sarge can I carry a blow Gun ha ha ha :cool:
 
GronK said:
I'm not a basher, hater, or fan boy but the two articles you point out are not necessarily contradictory since the second begins with:

"Cold Steel has always contended that the Karambit is a specialized style of knife with unique but limited uses. It is also, however, quite popular. So, in response to the many requests from our customers. . . . . ."

Pretty much says it all in a nutshell.
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perhaps you missed the part where they said :
however , we would like to go on record as being singularly unimpressed by the Karambit
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However once they realized they could make a $ off it , their tune changed 180 degree's. More hyper-bole , copying what's cool but doing so in a 1/2 assed way.
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John T Wylie Jr said:
perhaps you missed the part where they said :

However once they realized they could make a $ off it , their tune changed 180 degree's. More hyper-bole , copying what's cool but doing so in a 1/2 assed way.
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I still don't see what you are whining about.

Would it make better business sense for Cold Steel to keep beating the drum saying karambits are useless, or, if the market warrants, should they go ahead and offer one. Making production knives is a business, not a religion. Companies offer a product to a target audience. IF they perceive that their target audience wants a specific design and they think there is a business case for it, they make it.

If you aren't in their target audience, don't buy the knives. (And I say this as an outsider. The only Cold Steel knives I currently own are slip joints.)

So, to get this back on track, you called the Cold Steel Kerambits "half-assed". I believe they make two kerambit models. To what part of those designs do you object?
 
John T Wylie Jr said:
However once they realized they could make a $ off it , their tune changed 180 degree's. More hyper-bole , copying what's cool but doing so in a 1/2 assed way.
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knarfeng said:
So, to get this back on track, you called the Cold Steel Kerambits "half-assed". I believe they make two kerambit models. To what part of those designs do you object?
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I didn't read that, Frank. I read that JTW said CS "did so in a half-assed way," which I took to mean the fact that they had talked karambits down before making one themselves. Perhaps though you are right and JTW was referring to the "Nightshade (Grivory) Karambit," which they released first, and was unaware of their "Steel Tiger" model. I could definitely understand feeling that an all Grivory knife is "half-assed."

knarfeng said:
I still don't see what you are whining about.

Would it make better business sense for Cold Steel to keep beating the drum saying karambits are useless, or, if the market warrants, should they go ahead and offer one. Making production knives is a business, not a religion. Companies offer a product to a target audience. IF they perceive that their target audience wants a specific design and they think there is a business case for it, they make it.

If you aren't in their target audience, don't buy the knives. (And I say this as an outsider. The only Cold Steel knives I currently own are slip joints.)
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Well, hypocrisy does tend to get old after a while. In my opinion, Cold Steel has always been a VERY vocal company about their 'core beliefs,' like the use of certain steels, the use of a certain style of marketing, the impracticality of certain designs, and to see them readily abandon those in favor of the almighty dollar, well, it makes it very hard for me to believe anything they say.;)

Regards,
3G
 
There is a BIG difference between one's core MORAL beliefs and one's core BUSINESS beliefs.
To call a change in BUSINESS plan HYPOCRISY is excessive.
 
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