Cold Steel Knives: Buying Up Old Stock?

I think this will depend on the user. I have been collecting over 25 years. And while I use my knives I dont seriously use them. Dont get me wrong I use my knives multiple times a day without even thinking. But even now after so many years super steels to me are all about bragging rights and just a data point of pride for me. If you put an assortment of knives in front of me and told me evaluate them and determine which used higher end steel I most likely would fail miserably to do so. I have had a few knives over the years that just didnt hold an edge to save its life even with reputably great steels and I have had lesser steels perform tremendously well. So I would say it really depends on your needs, desires and ability to tell the difference which only you know. I myself dont have too much loyalty to any one knife long enough to stock up on anything. I only have one knife I am tempted to get a back up of but I know it will outlast my interest in it so I probably wont bother. But even knowing that I couldnt tell the difference between the two I probably would always choose the higher end as long as it not notoriously hard to sharpen.
 
How does VG-1 compare to CTS-XHP? And why didn't Cold Steel just stick with the former? You take supersteels and use them on smaller knives, and the price jumps easily 100 percent. But what happens when you use huge slabs of it on a Recon 1 XL? You're talking about a much heavier chunk of it! Also, when are the new knives (larger models) going to enter the market? Can you imagine a 5.5-inch blade made from XHP stainless?? All I can see are dollar signs!
 
How does VG-1 compare to CTS-XHP? And why didn't Cold Steel just stick with the former? You take supersteels and use them on smaller knives, and the price jumps easily 100 percent. But what happens when you use huge slabs of it on a Recon 1 XL? You're talking about a much heavier chunk of it! Also, when are the new knives (larger models) going to enter the market? Can you imagine a 5.5-inch blade made from XHP stainless?? All I can see are dollar signs!

First, the knives being talked about in this thread are the AUS8 vs the CTS-XHP. Second, the price difference is not very much. Don't know exactly what you mean by a price jump of 100% but if you mean double, you are dead wrong here. If you need clarification on these points please read the thread.
 
Don't know exactly what you mean by a price jump of 100% but if you mean double, you are dead wrong here.

In Canada, the price on some jumped by more than double.
Others went up about 50%...it depends on the model and which vendor.

The good thing is that the price on some AUS-9 models dropped a bunch, so it's a good time to jump on deals.

Just checked again, and one spot has moved their prices to more like an 80% increase...looks like it's going to vary.
 
I'll just say it again, like I have several times in this thread, here in the US, and the model I am looking at, the increase is $20, and for that you get DLC and better steel.

Edit to add that the op who keeps commenting on the huge price difference is in the US.
 
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If your use of knives is such that the difference between AUS8 and XHP won't be very noticeable, I say look for your preferred model in the AUS8 configuration since the prices are likely lower now than before the steel change.

Many praised Cold Steel's heat treat of AUS8, and some express the opinion that the blades in AUS8 have more toughness than the newer XHP blades.
 
Well, the Voyagers are going to XTS-BD1, not XHP. From what I've heard you won't see a lot of difference between AUS8A and BD1 except that BD1 has much better corrosion resistance and marginally better edge holding. XHP, which you'll see on the Recon 1s, has much better edge holding and much better rust resistance. And by significantly better edge holding, I have no idea what that is. A hundred percent better? Two hundred percent? If someone didn't tell me that AUS8A was no damn good, I never would have figured it out. I do know many people have some rust issues with it, but I haven't. I've seen AUS8A CS blades do a lot of rope cutting, cardboard cutting and so forth, and I know CS has outstanding heat treat, but I could easily go the rest of my life with AUS8A. But that doesn't mean we should stop there, because there's always room for improvement.
 
Am I right in thinking that in general Aus 8 is tougher than Xhp?

Depends on the hardness and tempering. Their XHP is run at 60-61HRC while the AUS8 is 57-58. I'd say they're comparable in toughness, but with some different characteristics. People have broken XHP blades, but then people have also broken AUS8 blades.
 
If you put an assortment of knives in front of me and told me evaluate them and determine which used higher end steel I most likely would fail miserably to do so. I have had a few knives over the years that just didnt hold an edge to save its life even with reputably great steels and I have had lesser steels perform tremendously well.
My only heartbreak with knives is when I can't get them sharp. They don't come sharp, they can't be sharpened many times, and they are useless. A few years ago, budget knives were almost always 420 of some stripe. They could be easily sharpened, but couldn't hold it very long. Now, it's mostly 440A. They come dull, and no amount of sharpening can make them sharp. M-Tech, a notorious budget company, doesn't even bother heat treating its steel. No surprise there. But when Böker's Magnum series also is putting out such crummy knives, that's not so much expected.

The thing about Cold Steel is that it's never disappointed me. It comes wicked sharp and seems to hold an edge exceptionally well. Then, when it does need some sharpening, as all knives do, it only takes a few swipes with a cheap pair of ceramic rods and the edge is ready to rock and roll. I also strop it if I have time, but it's hardly necessary. Also, when knives are made primarily for self defense, AUS8A is more than fine. Where supersteels really shine over more mundane steels is in paper cutting (by which pieces of paper are relentlessly cut into strips) and arm shaving. If cutting carpet, the supersteels would undoubtedly be superior over lesser steels, but I don't know anyone who uses their S30V blades to cut carpet. A friend uses a large steel blade (most likely a 420) and a carbide sharpener. The edge on his blade reminds me of the edges I've felt on Cold Steel machetes. Rough, jaggedly sharp and better suited to cutting one's arm off though the bone than shaving hair.

I don't mean to dis quality supersteel blades -- I have them and used to carry my Spyderco Native as my EDC, expecting to see a huge, monumental difference in edge holding. After about three months I went back to my Cold Steel Voyager 4-inch because I couldn't tell much difference and preferred the extra inch of blade the Voyager gave me over the smaller knife. And that's it. I'm sure the steel in the Spyderco was much better, but in a world where even AUS8A is pretty good, the supersteels aren't going to increased performance by factors. Putting it into gun terms, AUS8A is like a good 9mm 115gr JHP, in my view. A supersteel like S30V or CTS-XHP, though, would be like a .357 mag 125gr JHP. The latter is incredible, with no debate, but the former ain't bad. Most budget 440A steels, however, are like pellet pistols with those CRO2 cartridges (but without the pellets). They look good, but have no cutting ability whatsoever. I used to think it was the steel, but when Cold Steel used 440A in a number of its knives years ago, it came horrendously sharp and was, to me, almost indistinguishable from its AUS8A blades. I'd rate it as a good.38Spc +P 110gr JHP, and I'd even buy more of their knives made from it if the price and appeal was right. I still use two of their Night Force 4-inchers, one plain (viciously sharp) and the other serrated. The black blades are still black, but used looking. Pretty cool. I have a few Pro-Lites that are still new in the box. I also have a well used Recon 1 with a 440A blade, part plain, part serrated. Forgot about that one, but I still use and carry it quite a bit. I can't recall it not being sharp.





Old 440A Recon 1 (top) and one AUS8A Recon 1.



Pro-Lite, a great knife.

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I never buy anything through Cold Steel or the Special Projects anymore because the good old days of great deals once our twice a year are long gone. I used to sit by the mail slot waiting for my Christmas Holiday Sale Catalog by Cold Steel. Now I flip through it and throw it away. I can't even find the occasional knife deal that's smoking hot anymore. (Remember the Christmas where you could order a discontinued Rajah I for a hundred bucks? A hundred frickin' bucks!! It was the best gift I got that season! I picked up two in case an asteroid ever hit one, I'd have the other...but those were sweet times.)



The late great Cold Steel Rajah I. A hundred dollars in my lifetime! All thanks to Santa Lynn! Those days are gone. ---


I agree 100%. This year, IIRC, they were discounting 20%, come on guys.....

You ever feel like you have been taken advantage of?

For grins, I just pulled a invoice from 06/15/10 and the 62K, Rajah 1 was priced at $75.00 each through the SPECPRO-WEBSITE. Three of them were $225.00! I paid almost that much for one of the XL Espada with polished G10 handle models this past summer!
 
When you can get a medium clip point voyager for under thirty bucks I don't see why not. My brother who is almost ten is getting one for Christmas. My only complaint is there is no 3.5 inch blonde option that I remember or I would have bought two or three tantos for myself
 
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