Cold Steel Nightshade Series

[mark greenman]

There good for the shower too, where one would otherwise be caught with their pants down in the (highly unlikley) chance of a home invasion.

 

[fudo]

Justification?

I think that a company who makes weapons that are DESIGNED to get into places where there shouldn't be any weapons Weapons that may be used to get into places where sheeple think there shouldn't be any weapons.(special dispositions are taken for that, money is invested in expensive machines to detect weapons) should justify themselves, especially when anyone can buy them.


Why would you want to buy those anyway?

Don't know what is worst. Making them or buying them?

...............

 

[Jos]

Justification?

I think that a company who makes weapons that are DESIGNED to get into places where there shouldn't be any weapons (special dispositions are taken for that, money is invested in expensive machines to detect weapons) should justify themselves, especially when anyone can buy them.


Why would you want to buy those anyway?

Don't know what is worst. Making them or buying them?

I don't see why the company should justify themselves. Every individual can make from a great number of materials (wood, plastic, glass...) weapons that are undetectable. (as already stated by Rat Finkenstein)

 

[markksr]

'Those who would trade freedom for security deserve neither'

 

[Emanuel]

Rat Finkenstein,
As always, great post, perfectly stated, and I agree with you 100 percent.

I threw up a bit in my mouth after reading what cybrok wrote.

 

[Jos]

Exactly right. If one had a mind to, he could just break a wine bottle on a plane, and LOOK OUT! Deadly sword!! So the "ban it" stuff is unwise, cause if that goes through, guess whats next.

Don't say that man. Or they will ban wine bottles.

 

[Tohatchi NM]

There are a few legitimate applications for things that don't show up on a metal detector or are absolutely corrosion proof. However, I'm not sure the designs are very suited to the material or purported defense tasks. Something like the Delta Dart is more concealable, and works better within the limitations of the plastic. The push daggers look a bit weak at the blade/handle interface, and the serrated Skein Dhu is a bit ridiculous. They'd make decent trainers, especially with the Kraton handles that mirror the metal knives, but I don't see this use listed on the Cold Steel website. The marketing is junk like this:

"They can be hidden virtually everywhere from the hedges and flowerpots in your yard, to the refrigerator, bookshelves, and closets in your house. Keep one in every room of the house, from the laundry room to the bathroom shower! With violent home invasions on the rise a strategically placed Nightshade™ could save the day, and even your life. "

Even if "violent home invasion" is a major concern, you'd do better with a metal knife. Go to Walmart and get a Chicago Cultery boning knife - sharp, deadly, and cheap. Or a claw hammer, for that matter. There are plenty of things that would be more effective, cheaper, and legally defensible than pointy black pieces of plastic.

 

[Gramps]

They can be hidden virtually everywhere from the hedges and flowerpots in your yard, to the refrigerator, bookshelves, and closets in your house. Keep one in every room of the house, from the laundry room to the bathroom shower! With violent home invasions on the rise a strategically placed Nightshade™ could save the day, and even your life. "

Even if "violent home invasion" is a major concern, you'd do better with a metal knife. Go to Walmart and get a Chicago Cultery boning knife - sharp, deadly, and cheap. Or a claw hammer, for that matter. There are plenty of things that would be more effective, cheaper, and legally defensible than pointy black pieces of plastic

......yeah, CS is just marketing to the mall ninjas with that rhetoric. But in my view that doesn't mean the sale of this "stuff" should be banned or restricted. If someone wants to "buy into" that marketing ploy....and choose a "Nightshade" product to defend themselves, well then fine by me. I would think in the long run one would be better served with a bit of self-defense training and some basic knowledge of human anatomy; then nearly any "hard" object within arm's reach, as you suggest, can be used with as equal effectiveness as those "plastic things" from CS. I'm with you.....a six dollar "Old Hickory" in every household room would be a better choice than a "Nightshade".

Everyone must assess their own threat risks....and then plan for how they can best neutralize them. Folks should be free to choose whatever effective means they determine to be best suited to their personal defense.

Just my 2 cents.....not worth much.

- regards

 

[3Guardsmen]

You, too, Rat F. & Markksr!:thumbup:

 

[Morrow]

Indeed. Great point...and you've given me an idea. Playing with one while watching tv....in the shower.

I've been looking for some backup tent stakes as well.

They're fun to play with while watching TV.

 

[cybrok]

fudo, it's more lile

Weapons that may be used to get into places where the sheeples that made laws and who decide what gets you in jail and what doesn't think there shouldn't be any weapons

Why do I even care...

Say what you want and call me whatever you want, I will still think that someone who thinks he need some of those other than as a toy or a training tool is not right between his ears. And I still think that a company that design things like those for the public didn't understand something either.

From Szaboinc about their glo weapons:

For military, law enforcement, and government agencies only!

Now that is responsible.

 

[iamsmiling]

Much of Cold Steel's product line could be considered "mall ninja" stuff. Well made, perhaps but still items designed to be marketed to wannabe types. Cold Steel sells a lot of stuff and is very successful. In a market economy we all make own choices about what we buy and who we buy it from.

Personally, I don't care much for the design of their handles so the only product of theirs I own is one of their Khukris I bought as a second several years ago for chopping, and it works just fine.

 

[therulebookman]

fudo, it's more lile


Why do I even care...

Say what you want and call me whatever you want, I will still think that someone who thinks he need some of those other than as a toy or a training tool is not right between his ears. And I still think that a company that design things like those for the public didn't understand something either.

From Szaboinc about their glo weapons:

For military, law enforcement, and government agencies only!

Now that is responsible.

GAH! Are you kidding me?! why on earth do we allow the gov't to restrict the vast publics ONLY line of defense against military harassment and unjust government! Thats why the 2nd amendment is in the constitution, in case of a too powerful military and gov't and its rediculous that we have allowed such nonsense to take place....jefferson spins in his grave!

You call it responsible, I call it IRRESPONSIBLE. If anyone with ill intent gets one (which if they want to they will, as has been stated) then well intentioned people are put at a severe disadvantage.

back on topic: What kinds of stuff will these things cut and not cut. Like will they cut rope/cord, boxes, skin, anything? I realize they will stab, but how about cutting (push or slicing).

Oh, and I probably wont ever buy a cold steel either.

 

[BRASMAN]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with making them.

The mindset of needing any justification for the possession or creation of a knife/gun/etc is just plain wrong.

I agree.


Maybe Walmart should stop selling any kind of heavy duty plastic ware that could be made into a weopon. The idea of restricting honest people will never fly with me. We need to be ruthless and severe when we catch violent criminals instead of treating them like little kids and spending more on them a year than we do our soldiers and LEOs.

Joe Arpaio for president!

 

[CombatGrappler]

Keep a knife on yourself. Cheaper.

Well, sometimes the Mrs. gets frisky and the only thing I've got on me is a smile At times like that, it would be handy to have a Nightshade in every room, because you never know where we might end up.

 

[Gramps]

Well, sometimes the Mrs. gets frisky and the only thing I've got on me is a smile At times like that, it would be handy to have a Nightshade in every room, because you never know where we might end up.

Hello CombatGrappler !....good to see you posting here ! I see your user name has two meanings.

Unfortunately, I have become so old that sometimes "frisky" needs
"pharmaceutical assistance".......if you catch my drift. Oh well....... if it's good enough for Bob Dole............

- regards

 

[psinide]

Anyone have one of these knives (I guess thats what they are called)? They're made from "Grivory" which is apparently just a fancy zytel/plastic type material.

http://www.coldsteel.com/nise.html

There appears to be no metal in them at all, could one of these things be gotten on a plane in the US by taping it to ones chest or leg or back or something and walking through the metal detector? I'm not asking because I want to try, I'm asking because I want to know if some nutjob might try it and succeed and then hijack a plane.

I kinda want to get one because they are cheap and seem kinda cool, anyone with first hand experience?

Other comments?

I have the series sans the push-dagger ones (illegal in Canada). I think they are pretty cool. The only one I dont like is the Tanto one, it feels really cheap compared to the rest of them.

 

[CombatGrappler]

Hello CombatGrappler !....good to see you posting here ! I see your user name has two meanings.

Unfortunately, I have become so old that sometimes "frisky" needs
"pharmaceutical assistance".......if you catch my drift. Oh well....... if it's good enough for Bob Dole............

- regards

Trying to branch out from Pirate's Cove and the Spyderco forum. This was a pretty lively debate!

Another possible use for these knives is training. CS also makes some rubber knives, but these could be used by folks wanting a little more "ouch!" A few strokes with a file would do away with the edges and points enough to prevent serious injury, provided that proper safety equipment is used.

You gotta try to see past Cold Steel's marketing, people.

 

[fudo]

fudo, it's more lile


Why do I even care...

Say what you want and call me whatever you want, I will still think that someone who thinks he need some of those other than as a toy or a training tool is not right between his ears. And I still think that a company that design things like those for the public didn't understand something either.

From Szaboinc about their glo weapons:



Now that is responsible.

cybrok-you are nominally a subject of the English crown as a denizen of the British Commonwealth.
I, as a citizen of a republic, am subject to no one. The less the government knows about me, the better off I am. And the less the government has the monopoly on force, and I am free to defend myself and my family and property, within due bounds, the better off I am.
Remember, freedom isn't free.

 

[Gramps]

.......the less the government has the monopoly on force, and I am free to defend myself and my family and property, within due bounds, the better off I am.
Remember, freedom isn't free.

.....well said fudo !

-regards