Cold Steel Nightshades

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Cold Steel has a line of knives named the NIghtshade line made of Grivory, a glass reinforced plastic with Kraton grips molded on.

Has anyone had any experience with them, and do you know(you knew this was coming) if they would show up on an airport exray? I travel too much.
Just curious if anyone knows anything about them.

Jon
 
Try searching around the forums, they've been brought up a few times. If i remember correctly, the general opinion was that they would cause alot of ruckus if the airport fella's found out you were trying to get on a plane with one of 'em.
 
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Based on the FBI's x-ray images of other plastic knives I've seen, they would show up but wouldn't look quite as strong as a metal knife. Nonetheless they'd be visible.

Don't even think about sneaking one of these on to a plane unless you want a free prostate exam and some unpleasant things to happen to you.

It would be a much better idea to put a regular knife in your checked luggage.
 
Yeah, I always bring a few pocketknives in my checked luggage, more just out of curiousity really.

I hadn't heard wether or not the plastic stuff showed up.

And sorry about that Cougar, seemed like a gadgets question.

Thanks
Jon
 
Sure they show up under x-ray. You would have to carry it on your body, but man, I would STRONGLY recomment against trying. If you get caught missing your flight (which is a certainty at that point) is the least of your worries!

One I forgot a Spydercard in my briefcase and for a moment I was in real trouble, but then I guess they saw that I was as shock as they were and I told them they could keep it if it would save me trouble and after that was was cleared fairly quickly.

Very cool link, Ryan!
 
Yes, very interesting link,thanks.


Funny, not one type of boot or shoe knife, one that would reside in the soul and either be deployed solo or using the soul as the handle. :D

Some other neat stuff there though.

WR
 
WarRaven said:
Yes, very interesting link,thanks.


Funny, not one type of boot or shoe knife, one that would reside in the soul and either be deployed solo or using the soul as the handle. :D

Some other neat stuff there though.

WR
You has to find that perfect knife that IS your soul... ;)
 
Yeah nice PDF, thanks.

I like how they identify all the cheap POS knives but notice the Microtech card knife that says Made USA, manufacturer unknown......
You can see the brand name on the blade!

Thats an organization I want keeping detailed records on me!
Nope can't fool the FBI.
 
I freaking hate this nightshade series. I'm having one of my friends, training to be a cop, petition people to get them out of my store. They cut far too well and there is absolutely no law abiding need for something like this.
 
They cut far too well and there is absolutely no law abiding need for something like this.
I am seriously concerned with the notion that "need" can be qualified... no law-breaking citizen "needs" any dangerous object. Evil is not found in the object, but in the intent, plain and simple.
 
Knifeclerk wrote; Quote: " ... They cut far too well.... "

Knifeclerk;
You have got to be kidding me? A plastic knife that "cuts" well? :confused:


I am ashamed to admit :( , that I fell for the;

"Cold Steel Nightshade Series - FGX Karambit: Made from the new technolgical, state-of-the-art, UV heat stabilized, 100% reinforced fibreglass plastic, functional, light weight, durable knife"

No matter how many buzz-words are used in the description, there is only one word to take notice of, ....and that is the word "PLASTIC".

The fact of the matter is, is that no matter what you do, the product will still be plastic, and thats that.

I will state, that the karambit is great as a training tool, and is a handy item to leave in your car, or places where a steel blade is not suitable, or ideal. I have read tests on some items from the Nightshade line, and the results showed that they were fairly efficient as stabbing implements, and the push daggers, and tanto's could easily penetrate through 2-3 layers of cardboard with no problems. The tip of the karambit is indeed sharp, and I have cut myself numerous times during training sessions, when switching between extended and retracted grips.

The problem is, I was suckered!, and I actually expected the karambit to have a cutting edge, even though it was plastic, and I especially thought that the tanto and such would cut. Nevertheless, they stab quite well, and would definately do damage to human skin, and I will say that the karambit has a long, and sharp blade which is aggressive, and is the main reason why I purchased it, for it's mean looks. It's one of the best looking karambit's I have seen, and suits my tastes. If you just want one for the novelty aspect, thats cool, as the items are inexpensive, however the problem is that I spent way too much for it!, as you don't see these products in Australia, and I train and collect karambits, and did I mention... I was sucked in!!! :mad: , and consequently overpaid for my plastic toy karambit. That being said, I do keep it for it's training abilities, design, and it's ability to stab/puncture/maim to some degree. I must say though, that a plastic knife with moulded kraton grips is a cool feature, the grip on the karambit is one of the best things, both comfortable, grippy, and ergonomic. If I had of only paid $20, I could live with it. Another added bonus, if LEO's question me, I claim it's a toy from a Ninja play set. :D

Bottom line, the Nightshade Series, or any other similar knives, are a gimmick, and because of this, I have a dislike of Cold Steel, as in my opinion, what reputable knife company would deiminish it's reutation for quality functional knives by selling such "crap" novelty "toys", let alone decieve customers by claiming the plastic to be not your normal plastic, i.e. Grivory (which is BS in my honest opinion. So if you just want one for the novelty factor, or the convenience to carry in non-blade friendly areas, go ahead, but don't pay more than what it's worth, and remeber that it's plastic, and nothing else.
 
Knifeclerk said:
I freaking hate this nightshade series. I'm having one of my friends, training to be a cop, petition people to get them out of my store. They cut far too well and there is absolutely no law abiding need for something like this.

Even if you're right, this is still nominally a free country. The question can't be "why do you need that?" It _has_ to be "why do _you_ need to take it away from me?"

If magnetometer-invisible knives cause such havoc in the United States that it becomes absolutely essential to outlaw them, _then_ I'll agree with you. If you wanna ban them just because you're afraid of what somebody might do with one, then you can join the club of people-who-think-certain-lawful-objects-represent-unnecessary-risks. Like people who think guns are more dangerous than useful, and people who're corncerned that SUVs are more dangerous than most people acknowledge (like me). Regardless, guns and SUVs have to stay legal.
 
Knifeclerk said:
I'm having one of my friends, training to be a cop, petition people to get them out of my store. They cut far too well and there is absolutely no law abiding need for something like this.

OK dude. I thought you were making a sarcastic joke here, but others have taken you seriously. I would like to know for sure if you really meant this.
 
I'm dead serious. Yeah, it is a free country. But I don't have to carry this crap in my store. I'm not saying that if someone buys this they will become a terrorist. I'm saying they are designed and marketed exclusively for illegal activities. They are created for the soul purpose of enabling people with an already criminal/evil mindset.
I know that I sound like a freaking liberal, and really I'm not, but no good will come of these things.

And yes, they do cut. The korambit is sharp enough to easily cut paper. Will they stay that sharp? No. Of course not. Are they dangerous enough to cause way too much damage on an airplane? Oh hell yes.

If I could ship these back to the company or our wherehouse, believe me I would. But since I don't have that kind of pull, I'm just going to get as many people as pissed off about these as I am and let the good Lord take care of it.

Honestly, if you have the Cold Steel catalog, read what it says on that page with the nightshade series. Cold Steel should simply just fax that page to the taliban. I'm sure they would if they had their number.
 
Knifeclerk said:
I'm dead serious. Yeah, it is a free country. But I don't have to carry this crap in my store. I'm not saying that if someone buys this they will become a terrorist. I'm saying they are designed and marketed exclusively for illegal activities. They are created for the soul purpose of enabling people with an already criminal/evil mindset.
I know that I sound like a freaking liberal, and really I'm not, but no good will come of these things.

Don't worry, you're making sense. I agree, the only reason to use these things for 99% of all people out there would be if one wanted to try to get a knife-shaped object past a metal detector. Their target market for these things seems to be mall ninjas.

Has anyone ever tried to remove the metal ring they ship with and carry a nightshade through a metal detector? I would not be surprised if they have a piece of metal inside intended to appear on an X-ray machine or set off a good metal detector. CS never claimed that the knives would be undetectable by something like that.
 
Knifeclerk said:
Honestly, if you have the Cold Steel catalog, read what it says on that page with the nightshade series. Cold Steel should simply just fax that page to the taliban. I'm sure they would if they had their number.

I hear ya. But the problem is that CS does immature ninja wannabe and generally ****** things sometimes.

Do what you want at your store, but don't get something started to proscribe a weapon.
 
They could ban the sale of plastic knives like these. Of course you can just take a toothbrush or other piece of plastic and file it down like they do in prison. Or a piece of obsidian, glass, bone, ceramic...

Someone who is going to use a knife for homicide that will pass a metal detector won't be deterred by a lack of commercial availability.
 
infamous said:
The fact of the matter is, is that no matter what you do, the product will still be plastic, and thats that...

The tip of the karambit is indeed sharp, and I have cut myself numerous times during training sessions, when switching between extended and retracted grips...

The problem is, I was suckered!, and I actually expected the karambit to have a cutting edge, even though it was plastic, and I especially thought that the tanto and such would cut. Nevertheless, they stab quite well, and would definately do damage to human skin

That's the point. They are not cutting tools, but weapons. They are not designed to hold up to cutting chores, but merely to rip through skin once or twice.

infamous said:
Bottom line, the Nightshade Series, or any other similar knives, are a gimmick, and because of this, I have a dislike of Cold Steel

It's not a gimmick, it is what it is. No matter what the name is (Grivory, Zytel, whatever), it's not a real tool. It's not meant for real cutting, but if you want to hang on to one for self-defense in a pinch it will do the job (then again, so will a ball-point pen :D). If you really wanted to, you could stick somebody with a pencil. Or hell, you could just break your beer bottle and use that.

My point is not that such items are good (I try to avoid violence; my knives are tools), but merely that if you want to act in such a way you don't need to spend $100 on a nice knife when a piece of plastic will do the job. I'm sure everyone knows that most knife-related assaults involve cheap kitchen knives, not high-quality cutlery.

Regardless, and in any case, Peace.
 
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