Thanks, I appreciate your comments. Ive heard much about the ti lites, the original titanium ones that is. Ive heard that they are not all they're "cracked up to be" (so to speak). I have to admit as much as I like the looks of the more expensive ones, the handles, I have a hard time thinking of giving a 100.00 for a knife in aus-8. As knife maker I know it is costly to laser cut titanium, the material is not cheap either, but having a nice knife like that with aus-8 I think is a bit dissappointing. The only thing keeping me at this point of getting the zytel is the 440a blade, not "fond" of the steel. I know with a proper heat treat that it can be somewhat acceptable, but Im wondering how much on these? That is how do these 440a blades hold up. 440a itself is not much to bragg (at all) about, but allot has to do with the proper heat treat. Im sure these come out of taiwan much like allot of knives (cheaper) production these days, but I wonder how these are.