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Cold steel vs zero tolerance
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Agreed. That applies to every product or business.
I've had great examples from each company. No complaints.
And now something for all the haters out there.
[video=youtube;1N5p8IXzNdc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N5p8IXzNdc[/video]
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Dunno, I consider myself a ZT fanboy but it seems to me that I just see more posts of ZT's lock fail than CS'...
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They do have some good designs, and their quality is generally pretty good.
I'm lending my Cold Steel Tuff Lite to a friend who is doing an adventure race in a month or two, and I'm confident it'll work for her without failure.
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So is hard use all about the lock now?
"I remember back in the day when hard use meant prying..."
Well, it's a lock...it should "lock".
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Nor do I. I buy my knives based on what the sharp side does. I can't think of a single time where I've tried to beat something to death with the back side of the blade. I can't even think of a situation where I'd ever need to. I wonder if he shows as much concern over the performance of his shoes when trying to run backward.
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Isn't that what an axe is designed for?
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Sure, but if a $15 folder can do it, a knife specifically marketed for hard use(however they qualify it) and costing several times more, should be able to shrug it off.
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But we know you hate ZT, so what you say doesn't really matter.
Drinking marketing cool-aid is just stupid. Notice how they didn't actually say anything in all that stuff that you quoted?
Didn't we just do this thread? Hope this one gets locked up faster than the last, and the next one gets locked up even fast. This garbage is just pointless.
Oh, and not enough "haters" yet. Well just one more I guess. Time to drink!
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Lynn? Is that you?
There are definitely ZT knives that have perfectly good locks. There are videos showing extreme abuse of ZT knives where the locks hold. It would be unfair to say that those particular knives, proven to have a lock without issues are somehow unsafe or weak.
Likewise, there are also many, many videos showing extreme abuse of Cold Steel knives where the Triad locks hold.
Consider this, however - there are zero videos showing a Triad lock disengaging under light pressure on the spine with the hands, gentle spinewhacks, or moderate use. None.
There are, however, several videos - nine on the first few pages of results alone - showing ZT framelocks (0300 & 0550/560 series) disengaging under light pressure on the spine with the hands, gentle spinewhacks, or moderate use.
It's not just ZT that's being singled out. Look for tests involving particular knives from any company - Benchmade, Spyderco, Cold Steel, you name it - that have a track record of failing locks. You'll see that these knives, too, have several videos demonstrating their failures.
For every person with the time & resources to make videos on Youtube, there are hundreds more knife users who do not. The fact that a large number of Youtubers alone have had disengagement problems with certain ZT knives tells me that the probability isn't low that the average consumer might encounter these issues on certain ZTs.
Yes, it's likely that when you purchase a ZT of the aforementioned series you won't get one with a lock that has a disengagement issue. But there is also a chance that you will. And on account of the reports out there it seems that there is a much greater chance of a ZT lock (of the aforementioned series) having disengagement issues than knives with the Triad lock.
This issue is magnified, of course, by the fact that the design & features of these particular knives mean that they are more likely to be used for heavier tasks than other, smaller knives. Therefore, if there is a problem with lock disengagement, it is more likely to threaten user safety as the blades & locks of these knives are more likely to encounter sharp forces from various directions.
Likewise, there are also many, many videos showing extreme abuse of Cold Steel knives where the Triad locks hold.
Consider this, however - there are zero videos showing a Triad lock disengaging under light pressure on the spine with the hands, gentle spinewhacks, or moderate use. None.
There are, however, several videos - nine on the first few pages of results alone - showing ZT framelocks (0300 & 0550/560 series) disengaging under light pressure on the spine with the hands, gentle spinewhacks, or moderate use.
It's not just ZT that's being singled out. Look for tests involving particular knives from any company - Benchmade, Spyderco, Cold Steel, you name it - that have a track record of failing locks. You'll see that these knives, too, have several videos demonstrating their failures.
For every person with the time & resources to make videos on Youtube, there are hundreds more knife users who do not. The fact that a large number of Youtubers alone have had disengagement problems with certain ZT knives tells me that the probability isn't low that the average consumer might encounter these issues on certain ZTs.
Yes, it's likely that when you purchase a ZT of the aforementioned series you won't get one with a lock that has a disengagement issue. But there is also a chance that you will. And on account of the reports out there it seems that there is a much greater chance of a ZT lock (of the aforementioned series) having disengagement issues than knives with the Triad lock.
This issue is magnified, of course, by the fact that the design & features of these particular knives mean that they are more likely to be used for heavier tasks than other, smaller knives. Therefore, if there is a problem with lock disengagement, it is more likely to threaten user safety as the blades & locks of these knives are more likely to encounter sharp forces from various directions.
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Why? I've not once whacked the crap out of a knife whether a $15 or a $1000 knife.. I don't own anything more expensive than that so I can't comment on that but I don't think I'd feel the urge to spine whack a very expensive knife any more than a fairly expensive knife. I guess my problem is that I think spine whack tests are ridiculously stupid regardless of whether a knife passes, what it costs, or how it is marketed. It just isn't a metric that has any meaning.
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It's a lock, it should "lock" regardless. Whether you agree or not, when an item is marketed, it should work properly. If it doesn't work properly(as advertised), then it shouldn't be sold as such.
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I have 3 ZTs: 0550, 0566, 0562. I've used all 3 extensively, for a variety of tasks ranging from typical package opening stuff on up to destroying a wide variety of items composed of vinyl, leather, canvas, wood, etc (getting paid to do this is gratifying).
In these applications, I use either a hammer or reverse grip, exerting pressure on the lock bar. All 3 knives have flipper tabs or protrusions that would meet fingers instead of sharpened edge. None have ever slipped or wiggled.
I won't say anything bad about Cold Steel, because I have nothing bad to say. What I will say is that my ZT knives are working as advertised.
In these applications, I use either a hammer or reverse grip, exerting pressure on the lock bar. All 3 knives have flipper tabs or protrusions that would meet fingers instead of sharpened edge. None have ever slipped or wiggled.
I won't say anything bad about Cold Steel, because I have nothing bad to say. What I will say is that my ZT knives are working as advertised.
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