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I posted a thread on it. When opened with authority the blade locked open so tight that it required pliers (or disassembly and removing the spring) to release the blade. I corrected it by carefully sanding the portion of the blade that contacts the locking pin until it fit properly. Took a couple hours. Reading reviews I see my problem was not unique.Could you explain what was the problem?
When one realizes that 3V, which is a Crucible company, (of Syracuse NY), made tough specialty grade steel, is likely expensive... Then one also wonders why CS then chose to have these knives made in Italy, instead of Taiwan, which would have likely kept the prices down a bit, while still being done in a quality manner?
Anyhow, I can't wrap my head around their move to only using 3V with some of these model knives. Using 3V is perfectly fine, I applaud their use of higher end offerings, but to not include more traditional steel models as affordable options of those models... well, I just don't get that part of it at all.
Well, there's my long winded opinion on Cold Steel' latest venture into using 3V steel, and their choosing Italy as their source to have these knives made.
Now it's your turn...
What say you folks?
I purchased a version of every trailmaster steel done, except for A2, which I have not seen and 3V. I am holding back on the 3V because I have no clue how good of an HT the steel has. And improperly HT'd 3V will get spanked by Rowen 1095 steel.
And you won't see the A2 according to LT.
The 3Vs made in Italy, maybe, eventually.
I like the moves into 3v but not always the price points. the 4034 stuff im not so hyped up especially some of the price points I've been seeing.
As of today (Nov 14,2021) Cold Steel website shows the 3V Recon Scout in stock!And you won't see the A2 according to LT.
The 3Vs made in Italy, maybe, eventually.
Wow....looking forwarding to seeing a review.As of today (Nov 14,2021) Cold Steel website shows the 3V Recon Scout in stock!
I totally agree about including affordable options such as 01, A2, and even 52100. Who can afford the price of knives like the Trailmaster and Recon Scout in 3V?.So, while looking through Cold Steel's 2021 catalog, I realized that certain well known CS models are/or will be in the marketplace in 3V form. But, many are no longer available in more traditional/more affordable steel grades.
I believe in the past, CS's method of offering popular models in both higher end AND basic traditional grade steels, was a great way to hit a wide range of customers.
I personally still feel it's the best way to go with their best known and popular sellers.
Well, now I see that such models as the Laredo, Natchez, and Trail Master Bowie knives, are only offered in premium or somewhat more exotic steels.
The Laredo & Natchez now only seem to be offered in the 3V, while the Trail Master is only offered in 3V or in VG-1 San Mai.
Also, while the 3V versions have MSRP's that don't seem way out of line with their usual MSRP's, the actual street pricing of these products are way higher than usual, they being listed for almost full MSRP... Ouch!
As an example of this, Knifecenter, which I feel to be a competitively priced and overall outstanding online knife vendor, has the Cold Steel 3V Italian made Trail Master priced at just under $460... That is not MSRP, but the actual selling price! Again... OUCH!
Now, this is not a knife that requires an exotic or expensive material handle, one that may have also required a good amount of human skill to install and fit & finish. Nope, it's CS's Kray-ex, which is injected molded and doesn't require any level of hand craftsmanship to make or install. I would likely not be far off to say that these handles likely cost less than three or four dollars to make and install on these knives, (and even that is likely a high estimated guess).
Yes, the blade steel is known to be a tough steel, and is an expensive steel to make because of it's state of the art manufacturing process that it involves, (over traditional knife steel methods), but in the end, these steel blades are mostly done by the CNC method. While they likely have some hands on work done to them, it's not like the Japan made San Mai Trail Master that requires true hands on craftsmanship after the bulk of the CNC machining is done in order to achieve that convexed blade shape and sharpening on it. This, btw, is the most likely reason that when CS moved their San Mai knife production to Taiwan, that the San Mai Trail Master was the only San Mai model to remain in Japan, since the Taiwan source was also great with their CNC product making abilities, but did not have their forte in the hand convexing required for the Trail Master's San Mai steel blade.
So, again... The Italian made 3V Trail Master has a very usable, but very inexpensive handle. An expensive steel, but mostly CNC made blade, (which I believe has a CNC done full flat grind done on them), and a price tag that almost approaches $500... OUCH!
When one realizes that 3V, which is a Crucible company, (of Syracuse NY), made tough specialty grade steel, is likely expensive... Then one also wonders why CS then chose to have these knives made in Italy, instead of Taiwan, which would have likely kept the prices down a bit, while still being done in a quality manner?
Anyhow, I can't wrap my head around their move to only using 3V with some of these model knives. Using 3V is perfectly fine, I applaud their use of higher end offerings, but to not include more traditional steel models as affordable options of those models... well, I just don't get that part of it at all.
Well, there's my long winded opinion on Cold Steel' latest venture into using 3V steel, and their choosing Italy as their source to have these knives made.
Now it's your turn...
What say you folks?
Hardcore collectors most likely. At those prices, you might as well just save up a bit more for a Carothers or a Busse.I totally agree about including affordable options such as 01, A2, and even 52100. Who can afford the price of knives like the Trailmaster and Recon Scout in 3V?.
I put it down to the change in ownership for the most part.
However, nice to see they still have good value kit like the leatherneck knives in D2 & the Wild West Bowie (even if it is 1080 instead of 1090). These are what keep me on-side with Coldsteel.
I basically agree that it’s going down hill & the videos are quite phony.I guess I see it differently JC. In the transition, they have to keep things cool so they don't lose all of Cold Steel's customers. But all the bad signs are there of what's coming- Flea Market steel 4034 knives for $200, eliminating the excellent Outdoorsman Lite budget knife in 4116, getting rid of the Warcraft Tanto in 3V and then charging almost as much for a horrid 4034 version. Bad customer service. They are just keeping people pacified with videos right now that make them not seem politically correct and think that things will continue like normal. They will not. GSM is owned by big Wall Street investors. I predict they will kill off Cold Steel as we know it, or, will make Cold Steel the next MTech. Basically, a joke. Hang onto to your pre-GSM stuff because it will be like gold in the future.