collaboration confusion

[JDRanger]

I have a Buck/Tops CSAR folder collaboration knife that I’m thoroughly impressed with.

Last week I purchased a Case/Winkler fixed blade and it’s nithing short of great.

I love knives and over time I think I learned a lot about them but not nearly to the extent of being categorized as an “expert”. There’s just still too much I don’t know.

Here’s one of my many holes of knowledge that I’m hoping you all can help with.

Is it generally accepted that it’s a true collaboration if the two companies (parties) actually work together to design and build a knife like my Buck/Tops? Or is it a collaboration if a non-company designer works with a builder on the design but doesn’t contribute to actually building the end product?

Not sure that this matters to anyone but me but I’d like to understand more about partnerships like Emerson/Kershaw, Zero Tolerance/Hinderer, etc.

Maybe the short question would be, does a collaboration = “We built this together” or “I designed this for you and you built it for yourself?”

Or are they both considered collaborations?

Wow, sorry about the long winded post. My finger is tired.

Thoughts?

 

[stonproject]

Both examples given would be "collaborating"

 

[b00n]

Collaboration simply means two parties were involved in the creation, how much involvement in each varies from project to project. Although usually a true collaboration means that both parties have a hand in the actual physical creation (As opposed to one person just getting design credit).

 

[Quiet]

Both examples given would be "collaborating"

I'm with Ston, those would technically both be collaborations. The second example is usually the case when a mid-tech knife is the result.

 

[Lapedog]

I have a Buck/Tops CSAR folder collaboration knife that I’m thoroughly impressed with.

Last week I purchased a Case/Winkler fixed blade and it’s nithing short of great.

I love knives and over time I think I learned a lot about them but not nearly to the extent of being categorized as an “expert”. There’s just still too much I don’t know.

Here’s one of my many holes of knowledge that I’m hoping you all can help with.

Is it generally accepted that it’s a true collaboration if the two companies (parties) actually work together to design and build a knife like my Buck/Tops? Or is it a collaboration if a non-company designer works with a builder on the design but doesn’t contribute to actually building the end product?

Not sure that this matters to anyone but me but I’d like to understand more about partnerships like Emerson/Kershaw, Zero Tolerance/Hinderer, etc.

Maybe the short question would be, does a collaboration = “We built this together” or “I designed this for you and you built it for yourself?”

Or are they both considered collaborations?

Wow, sorry about the long winded post. My finger is tired.

Thoughts?

There are different levels of collaboration. It can involve either party doing more or less. It is essentially just a marketing term to indicate that the knife had two or more parties doing some component of the knife’s inception. It is not a technical term with specific requirements.

For example they could have one company (lets say buck) do everything to build the knife then have some designer (lets say Joe Schmoe) fart on each knife as it leaves the factory. They could still choose to call the knife a collaboration.

 

[FortyTwoBlades]

Each manufacturer has certain capabilities and limitations that may or may not overlap with the capabilities and limitations of the designer's own production. In the case of all collaborations, the capabilities and limitations of that given manufacturer should be taken into account such that the design isn't simply a production company making a copy of a custom maker's design, but rather so that it's a design adapted and tailored to play off of that manufacturer's strengths while minimizing the influence of limiting factors. That's not always how it plays out, but that's how it ought to be/usually is.

 

[DocJD]

I don't think any designer has much "hands on" involvement in a mass produced , factory knife . Not sure what you mean ?

 

[mfunnell]

For example they could have one company [..] do everything to build the knife then have some designer (lets say Joe Schmoe) fart on each knife as it leaves the factory.

I think there's a new industry term or acronym needed for this: FOBJS (Farted On By Joe Schmoe). I can see it becoming useful...

...Mike

 

[Stumpy72]

This makes me think of the scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail where the French knight looks down at the MP crew from his castle battlement and taunts them by saying “I fart in your general direction.” I don’t think Joe Schmoe is a designer in real life, though. I think he’s the QC Director of a well-known knife manufacturer that I won’t name here.