Collectors - What do you look for in a Maker?

Knife first
Maker second
Story Last!


Kevin,
You are accurately describing the work of about 4 makers in the ABS, you do realize that, right?

Honor, credibility, business acumen--those are all good. The knife is the most important thing in the end. If the knives are exceptional and the prices are good, the maker's work will be desireable.
 
Knife first
Maker second
Story Last!


Kevin,
You are accurately describing the work of about 4 makers in the ABS, you do realize that, right?

Honor, credibility, business acumen--those are all good. The knife is the most important thing in the end. If the knives are exceptional and the prices are good, the maker's work will be desireable.

Actually Anthony, more like eight ABS makers IMO, and I collect the work of six of them.

Yes, making exceptional knives at good prices will render the makers work desirable, however providing a desirable product or being good at a trade does not necessarily make you successful in that business long term.
 
Knife first
Maker second
Story Last!
I'm with Anthony.

Typically,ABS.
But also non-ABS.
Usually have a "slot" with an ABS maker and have acquired several,IMO,nice knives,right here at Bladeforums. :thumbup:


I've never had anything but complete satisfaction with any maker I've ever dealt with.
My tastes aren't as exotic as some,perhaps because I'm not interested in resale and I buy what I like.
The more I learn,the more exciting and enjoyable knife collecting becomes to me.
Thanks to all,too many to name and you know who you are,who have assisted in educating me. :cool:

Doug
 
Originally Posted by kbaknife
You ever buy a knife just 'cause you like it?!!?


All the time, my friend. All the time. ;)

But, those impulse buys STILL have to pass the rigorous standards as far as fit and finish are concerned. Plus, the maker cannot be an asshole. :)

OK.
I didn't mean "impulse buys", and fit and finish should be considered regardless, I just mean buying a knife without adding in all the other criterea of current market popularity of the maker, re-sale-ability of the knife, etc., etc., but just 'cause you like it!
It would seem to me that to add so many specifications on a purchase would detract from the pure pleasure of collecting!
Life is short, and this stuff should be fun!
 
however providing a desirable product or being good at a trade does not necessarily make you successful in that business long term.


Some of the best and most desireable forged knives are made by those who are "out of the business", sporadic/part time makers, or deceased.

Lets take Russ Andrews for example. One of my favorite makers. Russ is part-time, has limited production and will never be accused of being a self promoter.

His knives are immaculately finished and designed and eagerly sought after.

How about Vince Evans? Since you collect ABS knives you know exactly who he is. He may be the best bladesmith in the USA currently as he can do things no one else has attempted with his historical pieces. His large damascus centerpiece short sword at BLADE was $3500 and about 1/2 of what it was worth. If given the chance, I would buy his pieces all day long, but I cannot! They are spoken for well in advance. He is not a great self-promoter, although he does have a nice website that a customer put up for him. He isn't even a "Master Smith" in the ABS. I would reckon that very few people know who he is! But his work is so stellar (Museum quality) and such a good value that they are sure to be worth more in the long run.

"Long-Term" is the least important aspect as far as I am concerned. I know many long-term makers who make a crummy products that doesn't interest me! However because they are good businesspeople, or fill some other gap they remain in business.
 
Originally Posted by kbaknife
You ever buy a knife just 'cause you like it?!!?




OK.
I didn't mean "impulse buys", and fit and finish should be considered regardless, I just mean buying a knife without adding in all the other criterea of current market popularity of the maker, re-sale-ability of the knife, etc., etc., but just 'cause you like it!
It would seem to me that to add so many specifications on a purchase would detract from the pure pleasure of collecting!
Life is short, and this stuff should be fun!

Karl, I thoroughly enjoy collecting and it's not like I pull out my list every time I contemplate a purchase. It comes natural to me as I love ABS forged blades and I like the makers I buy from and they run their knife businesses in a manner that benefits me and knife collectors in general.

Yes, knife collectors in general. It's great to say it's all about the knife, however THE KNIFE will only be around as long as there are collectors to buy it. It seems to me at times, we have more new knife makers than new collectors. Without a favorable collector/maker ratio the industry will decline.
Short term, a poor ratio benefits the collector as prices will come down, however long term the collector will suffer as talented establish makers may drop out and great up and comers may not be able to grab enough of the reduced knife revenue to grow. Thus knife quality will suffer.

I can think of a very good established maker and businessman that just stopped making knives within the last 12 months. Most of you know of whom I'm speaking. The industry misses this maker for what he has done and for what he would have done in the future.

You have makers who are more concerned with THE KNIFE they make and sell today and collectors who are more concerned with THE KNIFE they are considering for purchase today.

You have makers that are more concerned with their careers and the industry being successful long term by promoting and getting new collectors interested and the collectors who support them.

I don't think my collection has suffered from abiding by my list of what I look for in a maker or by collecting the knives of the six or so makers I support. Collectors who buy less expensive knives can also benefit by selecting makers using points from my list. Lin Rhea for example, would be a maker of mid price range knives falling into my criteria.

I didn't start this thread to say I'm right, just to share what works for me and to generate good constructive dialog as to how other collectors view makers or what they look for in them.

And Karl to answer your question, I was just a nat’s ass away from just buying one of your cool and super clean “take down” knives at the Blade Show without ALL the criteria. ;)
 
HI Anthony,

You wrote: "He is not a great self-promoter, although he does have a nice website that a customer put up for him. He isn't even a "Master Smith" in the ABS. I would reckon that very few people know who he is! But his work is so stellar (Museum quality) and such a good value that they are sure to be worth more in the long run."

Not picking on you or Vince (I know who he is). What criteria are you using that he qualifies as a "good value"? Museum quality (do you have curator experience we don't know about?) Maybe you do!

In theory if he is not a MS and works in the forged blades should he really be getting $7,000 for a sword. While word of mouth is no doubt the best form of advertising. It behooves the maker to "help it" along.

This leads directly into your comment about long term makers who do crummy work. Define Crummy? I suspect the criteria you use to define crummy will be different from most of the buyers of these makers work. These "crummy" makers are these full time makers? Probably most are part time, with some skills and a limited (equipment wise) shop.

The SBA says 75% of all start up business's will be out of business (or operating under a form of bankruptcy, especially if you borrow money from the SBA to start your business) within 5 years. Ninety percent or higher will be out of business within 8 years and 99% will be gone in 10 years.

If these makers with their crummy knives are in business over 10 years they must be doing something right.

Lastly, which Vince Evans knives or swords do you have an order? What is his waiting time?

WWG
 
And Karl to answer your question, I was just a nat’s ass away form just buying one of your cool and super clean “take down” knives at the Blade Show without ALL the criteria. ;)

Thanks, Kevin.
I guess there is no way that Makers can think like Collectors -
or Collectors can think like Makers.
You explained your position very well, and I appreciate that.
I don't have the resources to "collect", but I do have the experience and inclination to "make"!
There is nothing else on this planet I would be willing to work so hard at!
www.andersenforge.com
 
Thanks, Kevin.
I guess there is no way that Makers can think like Collectors -
or Collectors can think like Makers.
You explained your position very well, and I appreciate that.
I don't have the resources to "collect", but I do have the experience and inclination to "make"!
There is nothing else on this planet I would be willing to work so hard at!www.andersenforge.com

You are very fortunate to be able to make a full time career of something you love to do so much. :thumbup:
 
I don't know anyone who, after actually meeting Vince and looking over his work, would question him or his work.

He is one of the most humble, yet most capable bladesmiths you will find.

Vince has personal reasons for not getting an Ms stamp in the ABS. Talk to him about it. I think you'll appreciate his views. It has nothing to do with any disdain toward the ABS, quite the opposite... the ABS section is where you'll find Vince in Atlanta.
 
I didn't mean "impulse buys", and fit and finish should be considered regardless, I just mean buying a knife without adding in all the other criterea of current market popularity of the maker, re-sale-ability of the knife, etc., etc., but just 'cause you like it!
It would seem to me that to add so many specifications on a purchase would detract from the pure pleasure of collecting!
Life is short, and this stuff should be fun!


No. There's not enough money in the universe for me to buy a knife simply on the criteria that I like it (even a lot!).
 
I have never bought a custom knife just because I like it. Not because of thinking about future resale value, or anyything like that. The reason is that I never know what one of my knives is going to look like until I get it. I have never seen a knife on a website, or for sale on the internet and purchased it because I liked the way it looked.
 
I wish more makers would take a close look at this forum and threads like this in particular.

Lots of great information here fellas :)
 
Here's a question; What was your first reaction the last time your favorite maker raised his prices?
 
Here's a question; What was your first reaction the last time your favorite maker raised his prices?

It's about time. This reaction had nothing to do with the thought that my knives may have become more valuable, it was just that his knives had been so underpriced. He deserved to be be making more profit.
 
The yippee was a little tongue in cheek.

Yippee for the maker, as it means his craftsmanship in in high enough demand to warrant a higher price for his work.

Yippee for the collector who had the foresight to buy said makers works. possibly at a time when no one else was?
 
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