"Combat Knife"....give me a break!

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I know this will anger a lot of people but I feel it must be said. It seems a lot of the knives today are marketed as "combat knives", and people carry them for personal protection. I am real curious who believes pulling a knife, a deadly weapon, on someone who is not intending to kill them plans on staying out of jail. If someone is trying to kill you a handgun might save your day, but a knife? I love knives but would not take one to a gunfight. Knives are tools with many uses but you are kidding yourself if you carry it as a weapon. Just consider the consequences before you whip out that knife, it will save us all down the road from ever tightening regulations, not to mention keep you out of jail...Just my two cents worth.
 
the current state of affairs here at the forums finds a lot of "combative" threads. If you feel the need to state that you know you'll anger some people then don't bother posting. This is a friendly place let's keep it that way.
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I think most people treat a defensive knife like they would a CCW pistol in that you only draw the weapon as a last resort. Since I've gotten my CCW I'm even more cautious and aware of my surroundings than before. This way hopefully I can avoid every having to use a gun or knife in self defense.
 
Yaquina,

I believe that a knife can be used for self defense. Not in the corny Hollywood sense. But, as with any other weapon, to provide an advantage over a threathening opponent. Obviously, if someone has drawn a gun on you, it would be foolhardy to try to deploy a knife, or gun, or anything else. However, if the threat simply comes from someone who outweighs you by 50 lbs, then the knife may help.

The real joke is that the requirements for a combat knife are relatively easy to meet. Cheap kitchen knives are probably the knives that most often get used.

Flesh is a relatively soft medium to cut, and it doesn't matter whether the blade can hold an edge since it will only be used once. It's much harder to design and produce a good hunting or camp knife. Hunting and camp knives actually get used; they are subject to higher levels of stress (prying, wood choping etc.), and there is the real expectation that the knife not only survive its actual use, but, that it continue to provide service for years to come.

When you see a maker promoting his knives for self defense ask yourself "what is wrong with this knife?" The same advertisement/ review will often include a long list of excuses.

N2S

P.s. Whether this exposes you legally is a question of maturity. Obviously, you would only be justified in using lethal force under the gravest extremes.

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This should be a doozy!
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by lifter4Him@aol.com:
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I've been trying to cut back on the butter. Too much of it can hurt ya.
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Kid,
Nice first post!
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Oh, BTW, welcome to the forums (I think).
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Hoodoo

I get some pleasure from finding a relentlessly peaceful use for a combative looking knife.
JKM
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by slow1:
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Well...I wish everyone believed like he did. Then there wouldn't be so many damn laws against "dangerous" knives.

Kid, would you please write the state legislature here in Michigan for me? We are only allowed to carry a folder with a blade of 3" or less. Please tell them how harmless knives are so I can carry my full-sized Wegner around. Not for defensive purposes, of course, but just because I like large, shiny things.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">If someone is trying to kill you a handgun might save your day, but a knife? I love knives but would not take one to a gunfight. Knives are tools with many uses but you are kidding yourself if you carry it as a weapon.</font>
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Self explanatory statement about the poster's awareness (or lack) of what happens out there.

Welcome to the forums. And, of course, you entitled to your opinion. May you never have to find out the whether you're right or wrong.

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First off, why would anyone pull a knife on someone who didn't mean to kill or harm them??? Second, a knife is better for defense than nothing at all. And last but not least, if you are forced to defend yourself with ANYTHING, you may face possible jail time. The system doesn't always favor the true victim.

Paul
 
Hey Yaq,

If you don't see any defensive benefit to carrying a knife, perhaps you are in the wrong place. Try logging on to Quiltingforums.com, I think it's more your speed.
Here's some more advice. When you are new somewhere, keep your mouth shut for a while until you get a feel for the place. Don't come in with your guns blazin' and try to "anger" people. How did I know that when I clicked on your profile, there would be no email address?
Oh, welcome to Bladeforums.
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Hello? Is anyone home?

I swore off answering tactical questions posted in the general forum a long time ago ... there are times when that resolution is hard to keep to, though....

Originally posted by Yaquina Kid:
I know this will anger a lot of people but I feel it must be said. It seems a lot of the knives today are marketed as "combat knives", and people carry them for personal protection.

Actually a combat knife would be a lousy choice for civilian personal protection, but your confusion about terminology is the least of your problems ... let's just let that one go....


I am real curious who believes pulling a knife, a deadly weapon, on someone who is not intending to kill them plans on staying out of jail.

Hello? Did someone tell you he or she believes that? If so then you know who it was and you can ask him or her how he or she plans on staying out of jail, can't you? If not ... what's all the fuss?

If someone is trying to kill you a handgun might save your day, but a knife?

And you claim to be a deputy sheriff ... have you had any training at all?

The worst part is I believe you are a deputy sheriff, very likely a real one and not in the least honorary, and have had essentially no training whatever....

I love knives but would not take one to a gunfight.

Ever since that movie came out that line has been repeated everywhere. The scriptwriter didn't follow it with "... and never take a gun to a knife fight," so people who get their information from Hollywood don't know that rule....


Knives are tools with many uses but you are kidding yourself if you carry it as a weapon. Just consider the consequences before you whip out that knife, it will save us all down the road from ever tightening regulations, not to mention keep you out of jail...Just my two cents worth.

Thanks for the advice, buddy. We always appreciate everyone who pops in and repeats that line from the movie, especially ... we never get tired of it....



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YK- welcome to the forums. You picked a real touchy subject for your first post, some serious damage has happened here and at other forums recently along these lines. You are definitely entitled to your opinion, just as others are entitled to disagree. Hope this can stay friendly (and entertaining). Good luck!
 
I agree that a knife is not the best defensive tool in the world. If a knife needs to be deployed then that means the bad guy is way too close and everything else has failed (obsevation, avoidance, any other defensive means...). My job requires me to be armed with a pisol at all times. I pray I never have to use it. I also carry a knife with me. The knife is a tool for assorted jobs that, honestly, I don't use that often. Still, it is there. Its final job, however, is a backup in case all my other defensive options have failed. Not a likely scenerio by any means, but still somewhat comforting to know there is one last option should all heck break loose. I also pray that I never have to use it, either.

I am not really a big knife person, being more into firearms. In that community I get the general feeling that most folks don't want to ever be in that sort of situation. They are, however, planning for the worst and hoping for the best. I get that feeling here too. Most of these folks aren't looking for a fight, but are praying it stays away. Most know that it would be far wiser to try to withdrawl from a bad situation than for most folks to try that sort of combat. That is not always and option.

I get the feeling that most of these folks like knives for the utility, asthetics, history and just plain curiousity they provide. Very similar to the firearms world.

Different states have different rules for the use of force to protect yourself, check that out before you make any carry or other defensive choices.
 
I'm glad you said what you feel "must be said". I will never carry a knife for self defense purposes from now on. Thank you for showing me how wrong I was.
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A knife WOULD help fight off a mean pitbull,
cut that ski line wrapped around your leg, cut a seatbelt after an auto accident,
slice your apple for lunch, and helps some feel more secure in a dangerous world. Darn handy too for opening boxes with more knives inside too...........

Gun vs. knife = knife loose.
Knife v.s apple = apple loose.
Good knife in hand = smile
Better knife = bigger smile

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I honestly did not want to anger people or make a bad name for myself on this site, let me clear some things up. First of all to the moderators of this board, I have extensive training with ground fighting, knife fighting, and firearms. Second, what I see all the time at work, as well as read about in professional publications, are people with knives pulling them because they are angry with someone or because they have been punched by someone, neither of which justifies the use of deadly force, these people occasionally become a statistic when, unknowingly to them, the other person pulls a gun and shoots them. Third, I do not believe the vast majority of knife enthusiasts would do this, I simply do not understand some of the things I read both in knife magazines and on these type of boards about "fighting knives", or "combat knives". I think these terms will only get us in trouble. Take as example if you are unfortunate enough to get into a fight involving your knife, you injure or kill someone, then you are in court and the prosecuter shows the jury all kinds of literature about your knife where it is described as a "combat knife". Not good.
I do not wish to make enemies here and I apologize for any toes stepped on.
 
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