"Combat Knife"....give me a break!

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It's funny how you say you don't want to anger people, yet in your first post you say you know you will anger people, but want to do it anyway. Here's a pic of one of my favorite apple peeling knives:

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One question Kid, why are you more likely to avoid jail when pulling a gun on someone who does not intend to kill you than if you pulled a knife under the same circumstance? I also consider a "combat knife" as a do anything tool used someone under typical field conditions. I own "combat knives" that are not used for self defense unless I am being brutally attacked by briars
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BTW, welcome aboard and CYA.
 
YK, with your experience you should know that anytime you use force (gun, knife, stick, chemical, hand), some lawyer is going to stick it you. That's part of the responsibility of carrying anything as a weapon. If you have followed the rules in using deadly force, it will make that lawyers job more difficult and less liekly to succeed. Obviously, it also depends on the weapon laws in your area and if you were in violation of those laws.

By the way, I'm not angry. I'm a little bored with this topic. Use the SEARCH function and you will find many topics like this.

NEWS FLASH - If there is something you enjoy, somebody (Gov't) is going to try to take it away from you.


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Yaq,

While it's obvious that you knew what you were doing with this post, I will forgive you for pulling a boner on your first one.
Your argument on the other hand, doesn't hold up water. You seem to want to paint everyone that owns a tactical knife as a hot head who is just looking for the opportunity to use it. That sounds very liberalesque to me. Do you have the same opinion about gun owners? And if not, than why? If someone pulls out a knife in a fist fight then they have escalated to deadly force and have broken the law. They deserve to be in jail and I, for one, won't defend their right to own a weapon. I fail to see how the dirtbags you deal with on a daily basis equates to us being irresponsible knife owners. Maybe you could clear that up a little before you make that connection.

Jim McCullough
 
From his last post:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Yaquina Kid:
...I simply do not understand some of the things I read both in knife magazines and on these type of boards about "fighting knives", or "combat knives". I think these terms will only get us in trouble.</font>
I think what Yaquina Kid may have been trying to say in his original post is that perhaps knife knuts and the knife industry should be more careful of the image they project and get away from terms like "combat" and "fighting". He might be arguing that such names promote knives incorrectly as weapons first and tools second. He my also be trying to make the point that down the road these names could result in more knife-related violence and ultimately a bad name for knives and knife people. My two cents.
Switchback

 
Thank you Switchback, my point exactly! I understand the knife carrying population as a whole are intelligent law abiding citizens, but that small percentage who will undoubtedly break the law using "combat/fighting" knives are going to create a bad name for the rest of us. I also always carry a knife and find endless uses for them, I would hate to see certain knives taken off the market due to the actions of a few morons. People seem to be taking my post as a direct attack on them, when in fact I am just questioning the labeling of certain knives.
 
I have "combat" knives in my collection. I have "butcher" knives in my kitchen. I have a "carpet" knife in my tool box. I don't pretend to be a professional soldier, butcher or carpet installer.

Now, as far as a fillet knives and carving knives go......

I see the point, too. It's the image we project to others (many who are not savvy to knives) that we must be constantly be aware of. If you don't want folks to be afraid of your dog, don't call him "Killer!"

But, someone new to "the knife world" may not know that "labels" attached to a knife may be prompted by public opinion, not necessarily the maker's intent. A good example is that everything black and grey seems to be called "tactical".

Take a classic pattern folder, beadbalst the metal and throw on G-10, and it's a "tactical". Polish the blade, put on ivory, remove the pocket clip and it's a gent's knife. Handle it in Zytel, put the pocket clip back on, satin finish the blade - now its a "utility" knife. Print all three knives in black and white without a proper caption and it leads to confusion!


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Tom Anderson
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Yaquina Kid,

Your statements clearly show that you have a prejudice about knives. That's not unusual; a lot of people from many different walks of life dislike knives for a variety of reasons.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Second, what I see all the time at work, as well as read about in professional publications, are people with knives pulling them because they are angry with someone or because they have been punched by someone, neither of which justifies the use of deadly force</font>

You seem to like guns, Yaquina Kid, so you're probably familiar with gun prejudice. Of course, we all know that people who are prejudiced against guns say stuff like, "All I see are people with guns pulling them because they are angry with someone or because they have been punched by someone. Guns for self-defense? Give me a break. All I see is people with guns marching into schools and office buildings and shooting people dead."

Can you relate a liberal's gun prejudice to your knife prejudice?

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I simply do not understand some of the things I read both in knife magazines and on these type of boards about "fighting knives", or "combat knives".</font>

You do not understand some of the things you read on this board? That's probably because YOU DON'T READ THIS BOARD!
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How much time did you spend here before you decided to post? How many posts did you read from other members?

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Cerulean

"We cut things to create things" - J.K.M.
 
Everyone, please tone down the hostility a little. Disagree with the points our new friend has made, but try not to draw conclusions about his motivations or experience.

Yaquina, no fault of your own, but this is kind of a bad time for this particular discussion. Welcome to BFC. I hope other threads you may start will have a happier reception.

Any more hostility from folks and I'm going to have to close this thread. Please, everyone BE NICE.

Paracelsus
 
Yaq,

You say that you are concerned with just the labeling. That is the problem with the liberal agenda against law abiding citizens owning weapons. They start out small by saying "We just want a background check and a waiting period. That's all." But when they get that, you know what? They don't go away. They find a new target to go after.
That's why we can't afford to give them an inch. I could give a rats a*s*s if it's called The Super Ninja Turtle Death Knife. As long as someone is using it within the parameters of the law, they should be able to call it what they want. Most people who are killed by knives are killed with ordinary kitchen knives. Does it really matter if it's called a steak knife or a close quarter combat knife? If they broke the law, then prosecute them, but don't take away someone's freedom because of what they choose to call something. You are a liberal gun and knife grabbing organizations dream. You are a gun and knife owner that is willing to let them slowly take your freedoms. As long as they don't hit you over the head with a bat, it's fine by you. Wake the H*E*L*L up! Why are you so afraid of words? Do you value your liberty and freedom that little that you would be offended by what someone chooses to call their knife?

Jim McCullough
 
I find the respones to the originator of this thread to be discouraging.
They have ranged from outright insults to belittlement. Take for instance the reply just above mine, where someone claims the originator doesn't read this board...how could you possibly know he doesn't read this board?
Just because someone doesn't have a few hundred posts on record here doesn't mean anything in particular. I myself was reading here for at least a month before I ever bothered to register.

I have also seen advertisements in knife mags for "combat" knives, etc..and yes, it does look silly in my opinion. Take my favorite knife for instance, the SERE 2000..I doubt I'll be doing any survival, escape,resistance, or evasion, and I feel a bit silly when someone asks me what model my knife is.

Just because someone doesn't go with the flow, or agree with your beliefs, that is no reason to belittle or insult them. The replies to the originator just make everyone look bad, even those who didn't bother to respond.
Just because a thread might make a few people upset doesn't automatically mean it shouldn't be allowed either. Some things just need to be said, and some misconceptions need to be cleared up. It by no means makes the originator some kind fo "troll".

And last but not least, someone suggested heading over to the quilting site if the poster didn't see any defensive benefit...why suggest that? Is a desire to use our knives defensively a requirement here on bfc now?
I use my knives for everyday work, and that's about it. It probably wouldn't even occur to me to try and use them defensively if the occasion should arise. Should I head over to the quilting site also?


I'm not trying to get on anyone's case here, but this thread has quickly gotten out of hand, and the replies here are pretty bad...


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"Assault Rifles", need I say more...I will not say more, because obviously everyone is missing the point here.

First and last post, Thank You and good luck keeping the freedom to carry whichever knife you choose.
 
Yaq,

Welcome to the Forum.

Being the deputy that you are, you must be aware of the 21-foot rule.

Having said that - I wouldn't want to board everyone here with the obvious truth - but a knife is a VERY formidable weapon at close ranges - and a much more effective one then a gun.

I carry and practice with both - and am far better with a gun - but still - the knife is usually the better choice - at close range!

We live and learn - and so will you

Just stick around and visit the tactical forum often.


 
I'm the one who posted the Quilting comment Mike. I really don't feel sorry for the guy. He got exactly the result he was trying to get and then with each post after his first, he slowly slipped into the victim role until he finally said, "Fine! If you guys won't let me come in here and stir up trouble and treat me nice, than I'm leaving" Reread his topic header and tell me that he wasn't trying to start trouble. He could have easily stated it differently and gotten polite responses for his first post but it seems like he wanted to make a big splash. He was wrong either way you look at it. If he didn't lurk and that was truly his first stop here, than he has noone to blame for the storm HE created. If he did lurk for a while and then posted, he obviously should know what the latest crap that went down is. I think the latter is worse. How could anyone think he is anything BUT a troll. He fits the definition perfectly. His first post sets off a battle, and then when people don't kiss his butt, he leaves. He also didn't give an email addy. Maybe he is or maybe he isn't, but all of the signs point that he is. As for the quilting comment. I didn't say that if you didn't USE a knife for defense that you should go there, I said that if he couldn't see any BENEFIT to a knife in a defensive situation, then he should go there.
It seems clear to me that he is good at starting trouble, but when it comes back to bite him, he leaves.
I think the quilters are right up his alley.

Jim McCullough
 
Thanks a bunch Jim. I do think yours and others responses are out of line. Everyone is making assumptions here. This kind of arguement is not helping anyone. This thread is closed.

Paracelsus
 
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