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combat knife throwing... I'm not kidding you

Discussion in 'Throwing Knives & Knife Throwing' started by CapitalizedLiving, Aug 7, 2011.

  1. Bo T

    Bo T

    Feb 12, 2011
    From what I have read, 1075 or 1084 would be the best as they have the easiest heat treatment for low cost high carbon steels. An oil quench is recommended for them. 1055 is used for axes so it should make durable thrower but it could be tough finding it in the thickness and width that you want.

    You could grind a knife out of a file or rasp and then temper it back to gain toughness assuming it isn't case hardened.
     
  2. Knifethrower721

    Knifethrower721

    15
    Dec 17, 2011
    There is a long list of requirement for being able to throw a knife with lethality in a combat scenario. One must have no restrictions when it comes to distance at least within 21ft. One must be able to throw hard and (or) from unexpected angles. One must not only throw hard but from in such a way that a knife throw isn't expected or can't be avoided. Obviously these requirements create a small class of people. The class of people that can use throwing knives(or other weapons) as diversions is much larger. The reason knife-throwing is totally rejected as a martial art is because most people feel that the gun is superior. And in most cases it is. But why not carry both? Both weapons have something to offer. At the end of the day when the ammo is gone and the distance is closing in, the guy who knows how to use (this may mean throw) a knife will win.
     
  3. hank_rearden

    hank_rearden

    Jun 7, 2002
    a thrown-and-lost weapon should have a backup (carry two throwing knives.) oriental techniques have a lot of recoverable throwing weapons (spears with attached chains, heavy darts and weights attached to rope or chains.)
     
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  4. jamaljj

    jamaljj

    33
    Nov 30, 2012
    Or you can just learn how to fight unarmed. Knife throwing is very limited in power and most throwing knives only stick with a tip.
     
  5. CecilDaDiesel

    CecilDaDiesel

    12
    Feb 17, 2012
    You seriously dug up a post from 10 months ago just to say DON'T DO IT???
    We all know its not the smartest idea to throw the best weapon you have. Heavier knives hit pretty hard no matter what end you hit them with. Ive seen more than one knife stick into the target from the blunted end. Look around the forum and you'll find other posts about this. Some combat throwers can keep you at bay just by grabbing and throwing anything they can find. You better believe if you come at me and i throw a coffee cup into your throat that your not gonna be coming at me for another couple seconds no matter what.
     
  6. JGON

    JGON

    975
    Mar 12, 2010
    I once was on the receiving end of a mean right hook after an object was thrown to distract me. A fight broke out in my college house, and I was trying to get the drunk idiots out, and I was walking up to this hockey player to tell him where the exit was, and he threw an empty red beer cup in the air above my head, which became my primary focus, at which time he punched me in the face.

    I didn't see it coming at all. I thought the cup was full of beer and was bracing for that. Sometimes the thrown object isn't the threat, it's the distraction, or smoke screen if you will, for a well placed strike.
    Don't try this at home, but take if from me, it worked.

    JGON
     
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  7. jimfromcalifornia

    jimfromcalifornia

    59
    Nov 6, 2012
    thats true,i would throw something,whatever just to close the distance,that distrtaction would buy someone precious time,i wouldnt think of throwing my knife ,maybe one of those cold steel torpedos ha...
     
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  8. pap11y

    pap11y

    Jul 4, 2012
    I throw nails - poorly. They are a great option for learning.

    I wonder if a larger or longer blade would be easier and would definitely be more interested in learning with big screw drivers rather than nice knives..

    I prefer the no spin method.. as it can be applied to swords machete etc. I still have plans to make up a huge batch of bo shuriken that are made form decent round and square bar...
     
  9. Ote

    Ote

    29
    Mar 4, 2012
    The situation will always the dictate the preferred method of "defense"
    and to run screaming like a little girl may be preferred over death. (caution, practicing running and screaming like a little girl will change how people percieve you.)
    yet practice in multiple disiplines is always a good idea, I throw at distances to learn how items/weapons react, their potential and just how good am I with ___ .
    I throw at close range (inside 2') also aiming low (legs, ankles,feet) as I believe IF I were to loose/throw a weapon that would be my preferred method to disable/harm in order for me to exit.
    distances beyond 6' allow me other options of defense so I will not likely throw (my knife anyhow).. but.. you never know, having the skill to do so may come in handy.
     
  10. KBar666

    KBar666

    351
    Jul 1, 2011
    There is a great write on this very subject by Mike Janich in ttactical knives magazine
     
  11. crah28

    crah28

    1
    Jan 27, 2013
    I am looking for some instruction on modifying throwing knives (1/4 spin throwers) to make them more combat ready to fit a tactical environment. Is there any printed material or websites that anyone know of that have these instruction. I am also looking for some knives that are custom throwers that I can put on my vest that have a great sheath, for secure and safe storage. I will have molle attachment points.
     
  12. meako

    meako Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 4, 2006
    what sort of nails are we talking about? I imagine at least 6-7inch or bigger like wharf nails or something.
    anything smaller would not have the heft. ??
     
  13. Smithy

    Smithy

    326
    May 11, 2012
    I have not read this whole thread, but I did read Gil Hibben's book on knife throwing. The only people that are truly able to use a throwing knife as a defensive weapon are Chuck Norris and Stephen Segal---they never miss. If it's all you have, go for it , but have an exit strategy planned. Knives are not necessarily the best offensive or defensive weapons. Just my $.02 ...Teddy

    Oh, I forgot about John Rambo also...
     
  14. matter22

    matter22

    11
    Jul 17, 2010
    Im abosolutly an advocate of passive behavior and yet knife throwing tactics have to imply protective offense at the least.. if your goal is to stun and escape or stun and attack I think lead fishing weights would fit any situation without being a burden to have in your pocket.. Being such a common hobby someone could carry a few fishing weights and be seen as unthreatening (in the unlikely event someone learns youre carring them). But for me the KNIFE in combat knife throwing that best responds to all the throws and mantains the least difficulties in handling is the the chef knife design.. Typically anywhere you are one is available, older heavier handled chef knives literally have no association with food in my eyes anymore. I adovocate that i can teach anyone the no spin knife throwing style in one session so as they can go home able to learn alone from then on and the knife i pick up at any thrift store before teaching a friend this pastime will be a 10 - 15 in chef knife.. I love the look on people's faces when I tell them to grab the big knife out of the kitchen they barely use so i can make them a competent student of this art. My last thought on this thread is for the responsible use of any of these ideas because as an art the " any knife any distance " modo i learned is the definition of lethally effective and will beautifully kill many wooden boards around the world but as this theard says "im not kidding you" this martial art is no joke. The distance holds less and less effect over your accuracy the better you get and then obivously the closer you to the target percision throws are beyond thought process style throwing and becomes what i like to call "point and shoot". To be able to have the on general target accuracy at all distances makes the on point percision part an absolute joy of the senses when you can simply throw without thought as if the calculation, power, throw, realease, etc... are trancended into that modo "any knife any distance."
     
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  15. RSpies

    RSpies

    161
    Dec 22, 2013
    It makes me sad that when I type in knife throwing to YouTube it comes up with 10 pages of call of duty videos before any actual knife throwing.
     
  16. kaotikross

    kaotikross Banned BANNED

    Nov 20, 2013
    Hmm. I guess I would try and have FOUR knives, instead of the usual three. Try to look somewhere safely to the right or left of my opponent..not so close that he can run for it but close enough he can see it, and more importantly, in my "perfect" range. Maybe make it apparent that this particular throw isn't at him,and then heave that perfect throw I've done a zillion times. The one where I really make it look effortless. Physical damage to opponent? None, but is he going to want to continue in his quest to take me and my now apparent (to him) ninja-like skills downtown to scrapville? Doubtful. I've mentioned the power of the psychological deterrent before. This is another area where it's suitable. he sees you whip that puppy and get a good stick- especially at face or groin level, and now he sees you have THREE more throws? ;)
     
  17. Windwhistler

    Windwhistler

    281
    Aug 18, 2013
    WoW! I leave the country for a week and we get a plethora of new interesting posters in this forum! I should bug out more often.
     
  18. Windwhistler

    Windwhistler

    281
    Aug 18, 2013
    Hey Meako, check out the spikes I throw made out of 12" deer stand nails. Hefty, cheap and make 3 in about 30 minutes. I think the pictures are still posted in the "weird throwing stuff" thread of this forum.

    OK just checked and the thread has been taken down. Here is a picture again.
    [​IMG]

    The Cold Steel knife is there for comparison of size.
     
  19. Year of the Spider

    Year of the Spider

    1
    Mar 8, 2014
    Reading this thread I was reminded of a conversation that I had with a martial arts expert a long time ago. I told him that I didn’t have the time or the self-discipline to train properly and was there a tactic he could show me that I could use as a last ditch “end of all things” fight move?
    He said there was such a move, and that it involved throwing something, but it was so terrible that he did not want to tell me about it.
    I persisted. Come on. This is important, I said. Who knows what the future holds? I need to know this trapped-in-an-alleyway-move that could save my life.
    So he told me.
    Go into a crouch, he said, relax your bowel and fill your pants. Reach down the back of your trousers, grab a handful, and start throwing it around.
    Chuck Norris will run away making jazz hands and silent screaming when a lump of human faeces rolls down his Saturday night shirt.
    I’ve never had the occasion to use this move and I’m not sure that I could, but it’s worth knowing, for when you're cornered and you've run out of knives, shoes, spit, coins, keys, belts and better ideas….

    http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GKX52K4
     
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  20. kyle007

    kyle007 Banned BANNED

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    Mar 9, 2014




    THROWING BY THE BLADE:
    If a knife with a heavy blade is thrown by the handle, it would seem that a heavy handle would be best for the blade throw. For the most part that is true, whereas the configuration of the blade is normally not a large concern on a knife thrown by the handle, it must be considered in choosing which one three methods you will use when throwing by the blade.

    FIRST: Daggers, Ice Picks or Stilettos are held in the same manner as a throwing star, with the point just touching the ring finer, if a light weight (floater); or just even with the little finger, if a heavier (Fairbairn or boot style). Except for the ice pick; their blades are or should be sharp on both sides and to throw it any other way is asking for trouble.

    SECOND: If the knife is of the hunting style (Ka-Bar, Buck, and most bayonets), the majority have a false edge. Use what I call a sandwich grip. Marines taught this style for throwing the Ka-Bar and I taught it in the Army for bayonets. With sharp edge out, lay the thumb along the center of the flat side of the blade and push the finger tips tight to the center of the other side. This will put the false edge slightly off the meat in the inside of the hand, so when the knife is released the point the point won' drag across your palm. Never throw a SAW BACK knife by the blade, (it will do to your hand the same as it does to apiece of wood).

    THIRD: This method is for the most part used by professionals for stage shows. These knives don't have sharp edges, but do have sharp points. The grip used is almost the same as a handle thrower, except the thumb is most often put on the to edge.

    This concludes the styles used when throwing a knife by the blade. Personally I do not recommend that you spend too much time trying to learn them: (except perhaps style three if you intend to go professional). I say this because, I have never seen anyone carry a knife in a sheath handle down; nor have I seen anyone successfully grab for a SHARP knife and throw it in a manner that could be in anyway construed as, a better, or faster way; than a knife thrown by a person of equal skill using the handle. The only reason I teach these styles, in my class, is to show the student the how and why some knives seem to throw better than others. [​IMG]
     

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