Comeuppance’s Philosophy Corner: The Knife of Theseus

Take a look at this AMC AMX. It literally has almost no original parts left. As the car was upgraded it lost more original AMC parts. For convienences sake we still call it an AMC AMX but in reality it is a totally new car. Perhaps the best descriptive term would be AMC AMX pattern car.

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Now back to knives. Take that Emerson horseman that has been modded one piece at a time until there was no Emerson left. This is alot like an Armalite AR-15 that has had every part replaced. Truly it is no longer an AR-15 but rather an AR-15 pattern rifle.

Now lets go to the extreme case. A Chinese clone of the Horseman that is in every way identical. Is that an Emerson? It has no genuine Emerson parts. However unlike the modded Horseman it never contained any genuine Emerson parts at any point. This is not unlike the HK 416 which is not an AR-15 but again an AR-15 pattern rifle. The Chinese clone is an Emerson pattern knife.

The extra descriptive term “pattern” is generally not used in the knife world because we generally do not accept a knife being built in the style and fashion of another brand. However even the Buck 110 has many clones that copy the 110 pattern.

It all depends on you what you want to call it. I think for some reason an item that started off as say a Horseman and was modded until it contained no more true Horseman parts is more likely to be accepted still as an “Emerson Horesman.” However if we took those same parts from the beginning and built the knife without adding them one by one to the Emerson we would be reluctant to call it an Emerson, even though the final two knives would be identical.

Clear as mud?
 
This is the ax my grandfather made
My father replaced the handle and I replaced the blade



Saw this here in a thread of pithy knife sayings. I liked it and it led me eventually to the Ship Of Theseus. So philosophy and knifes :) do go together apparently.



"From the forest itself comes the handle of the ax."
 
It's definitely not an Emerson at that point, definitely would not be able to send it in for any warranty work
 
The Ship of Theseus is a philosophical question that has bothered me for a while now, so I came to a conclusion. There is no absolute in this, I feel that identity is deeper than material or shape, it has a lot to do with perception. To the owner it is an Emerson. To you, it may not be. Our reality is based more on our perceptions than the truth. If you stop to think about it, putting labels on things is simply man's way of making sense of things.
 
"This, milord, is my family's axe. We have owned it for almost nine hundred years, see. Of course, sometimes it needed a new blade. And sometimes it has required a new handle, new designs on the metalwork, a little refreshing of the ornamentation . . . but is this not the nine hundred-year-old axe of my family?"

-- Terry Pratchett, The Fifth Elephant
 
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