Coming back from tactical

Bungwrench

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Well for some reason I got back into the "tactical" knife niche for a month or so. I don't know why I did it. I think because every now and then I think about how much a one handed opening knife with a 4" blade might help me in a bad situation. I am not so sure it would to be honest with you.

Plus now I have ripped up pockets where the G10 and the clip keep riding in and out of my pockets. I was out back whittling last night and I had to get the SAK out of my pocket because the Spyderco was too big to do the little canoe that I was whittling.

Now all I want to do is sell my tactical knives and buy a bunch of old slippies. Tell me I'm not the only one who has gone through this insanity. :grumpy:

What is weird is that I have no explanation for this. I just know that I feel more comfortable when I have a SAK or a slippie on me. There have been many times where the smaller thinner blade has been able to slice through things without binding up. Plus I like to whittle and I find that a SAK sized knife is much better for this than a "tactical" knife.

Maybe it's just me, I don't know.
 
There's nothing wrong with one hand opening knives, but most of them have no "soul". I don't know how to explain it, I love my Delica 4, very handy little knife, but I like the look and feel of a carbon steel traditional folder a lot more.

I still carry one hand opening knives, mainly Spydercos, and find them useful from time to time. However they don't appeal to me the way a nice old school folder does, handle materials have a lot to do with it. G-10, FRN, even micarta aren't the same as nice wood or bone.

At least for me, one hand opening knives cover a niche in my EDC needs. In the city, when I can't have a fixed blade, they are the next best thing. I spend roughly half the week in the country side where I train horses and organise horseback trips, and half in the city. I don't recall ever having used a modern one hand opening folder outside the city because I can carry a fixed blade.
 
Well for some reason I got back into the "tactical" knife niche for a month or so. I don't know why I did it. I think because every now and then I think about how much a one handed opening knife with a 4" blade might help me in a bad situation. I am not so sure it would to be honest with you.

Plus now I have ripped up pockets where the G10 and the clip keep riding in and out of my pockets. I was out back whittling last night and I had to get the SAK out of my pocket because the Spyderco was too big to do the little canoe that I was whittling.

Now all I want to do is sell my tactical knives and buy a bunch of old slippies. Tell me I'm not the only one who has gone through this insanity. :grumpy:

What is weird is that I have no explanation for this. I just know that I feel more comfortable when I have a SAK or a slippie on me. There have been many times where the smaller thinner blade has been able to slice through things without binding up. Plus I like to whittle and I find that a SAK sized knife is much better for this than a "tactical" knife.

Maybe it's just me, I don't know.


No bud, its not just you. I went through the same thing back in the late 70's and early 80's of trying the latest and greatest that the knife rags featured. But I recovered with the help of a few older co-workers with one in particular, who guided me back. I think its human nature to want the best and newest thing out there, but sometimes just because its new does not mean its better. You know what they say about mousetraps.

About the bad situation, I don't think one of those one hand folders will help as much as using your head to stay out of those situations. Usually preditors travel in packs, and if you're lucky to get one, then one of the others will most likely nail you in the back. If you're young and able just use Nike-foo, and get out of there at good speed. If your old and got a bum wheel under you like me, then carry a stout blackthorn walking stick and heed Teddy's advise from an old Massi proverb; "Speak softly and carry a big stick, and you will go far." The best weapon/tool you have is about 2 pounds of grey stuff between your ears, linked to your eyes.

As far as the thinner blade being able to slice through things without binding up, this is true. I've converted a number of young guys out at the Izzak Walton League I'm a member of, by just lending them a Opinel or a Victorinox tinker, or a very old Hen and Rooster stockman, and watching them get wide eyed at how easy it slices though the top of a box of clay birds, or double thick cardboard for target frame squares on the pistol range. Material that they had been struggling with trying to cut with a thick wedge ground tactical.

I think that in a large part, appreatiation of traditional slippys is an aquired taste like perked black coffee, or sipping on a stait smooth whiskey. Something that comes with lifes experiance. Sometimes we back-slide a little now and then, but thats what is so great about life, we can admit to ourselves that we made a mistake and go back to what really works for us. Being a free human being on this earth and living in a society with an open marklet, we're free to try different things and then decide what we liked or did'nt like, what worked for us and what did'nt. Then we make a dessision of what we want.

Sometimes those things change as we age, and evolve through lifes experiance. As long as we don't go through life with blinders on, we'll try many things that won't make the final cut. One day, you'll gather your children and nephews and nieces, and siblings and friends, and give away the things that you have moved beyond. You'll have the priceless joy of seeing their pleasure of receiveing while you are still around to enjoy it.

I know what you mean by being more comfortable with a sak or slippy. Once upon a time I felt I needed that husky big lockblade for Lord knows what. But in time I realized I never really used it for anything even demanding a lock, let alone that size knife. I thought back to my dad and Mr. Van, who lived whole lives durring which they camped, fished, and went about the buissness of life while using a small slip joint. Now I do the same, and I feel better equipted to deal with the real life problems that may demand a cutting tool, and aside from an Opinel or two I don't own a knife with a lock. I figure if my pocket knife can't handle it, then thats what mora's are for. And I don't read any knife magazines. They're a bad influence for the real world.
 
Well for some reason I got back into the "tactical" knife niche for a month or so. I don't know why I did it. I think because every now and then I think about how much a one handed opening knife with a 4" blade might help me in a bad situation. I am not so sure it would to be honest with you.

Plus now I have ripped up pockets where the G10 and the clip keep riding in and out of my pockets. I was out back whittling last night and I had to get the SAK out of my pocket because the Spyderco was too big to do the little canoe that I was whittling.

Now all I want to do is sell my tactical knives and buy a bunch of old slippies. Tell me I'm not the only one who has gone through this insanity. :grumpy:

What is weird is that I have no explanation for this. I just know that I feel more comfortable when I have a SAK or a slippie on me. There have been many times where the smaller thinner blade has been able to slice through things without binding up. Plus I like to whittle and I find that a SAK sized knife is much better for this than a "tactical" knife.

Maybe it's just me, I don't know.

I really like tacticals and traditionals.

Since you might change your mind again, why not keep your tactical knives AND buy a bunch of slippies? :)
 
Hey bungwrench...get rid of those Spydercos! They are evil. Send them to me and I will do everyone the service of disposing of them properly. Is an ugly job, but somebody's got to do it! :)

In fact, anybody else out there with Sebenzas, send me those too.

Really though, I find my SAK does all the cutting (plus a million other things) that I could ever really do. Any knife (slipjoint or not) beyond it is just showing off.

So, now that I think about it, anybody with any knives other than SAKs, send them to me. You dont need them.

Especially Schatt&Morgans. The goldenroot ones. And Queen Abalone knives. And those William Henry knives with the mastadon ivory and gold inlays.
 
Slippies ARE tactical. If you are like me, one of your tactics is to carry a nice looking knife!
 
I'm one of the guys who likes both. I carry assisted openers at work (sure helps when you're up a ladder) but love my old uncle henry stockman for carving and whittling. Both types are useful tools. I would say that I have a certain nostalgia for a good old slippie (not to mention a couple scars from closing them on my fingers when I was growing up) as they were the first folders I was exposed to (mostly through my grandparents).
 
Interesting post........................

I'd been thinking about this kind of thing myself lately, usually when I am doing something in the garden, or workshop, that requires all three hands AND opening a knife besides. At those moments the Loveless City knife, SAK, a whittler or whatever unassisted opening knife I have at hand makes me growl. Thats when I really want a solid, one-hand, ASSISTED opening, clip-on knife in my back pocket.

Other then those awkward moments I always prefer old, trusty "slippies" or front lockers (i.e. an Al Mar Falcon or a Spyderco Delica) to ANY new, high tac ummmmmmmmmmm, errrrrrrrrrrrrrr, uhhhhhhhhhh knife.

If I knew I was going to NEED a knife I suppose I might slide a 3 1/2" Tim Wright Utility on my belt or if I thought I'd need something bigger I have his first Loveless-style "Chute" knife (D5 and a B I T C H to sharpen) which would probably suffice.

Syn
 
I just sold all but one of my pocket clip folders. The money is going into a couple of Old Timers and a .22 revolver. I can't wait, it's like Christmas in June. :D :D
 
It all goes back to having the right tool for the job. If I'm at deercamp working I want my CQC 8. If I'm on the deerstand or at camp I like to have a small stockman to whittle with. I've almost closed a slipjoint on my finger while cutting limbs, which made me start using a locking blade for those type of tasks. If you're doing really heavy duty cutting slipjoint blades can break. But I carry a slipjoint every day because overall it's usually all you need.
 
Ya want cool tactical knives to go with you AR-15 or your Mossberg 590? Get a Mora (you can even get it in OD green). Toss a soddie or an opinel in your pocket, and SAK (or Boy Scout knife) on your belt of in another pocket.

If ya wanna get fancier, then plenty of solid traditionals out there that are very capable as soldier's knives. Look back over the years at what was carried. Check out Jackknife's postings on knives he and others actually used in the Army. Some pretty traditional stuff there.

My walnut and steel guns share the house with the two above black guns and I enjoy my BGs as solid, rugged working guns. But when it comes to solid, working knives to go with them, I find that traditional knives do the job quite well.

Now move over to pure using knives for daily living and, hey, wait a minute, the same knives work just fine. Hmmm.

The SHTF scenarios? Interestingly enough, the same knives win again for real cutlery use in most any situation. Once again, look at Jackknife's Mr. Van stories. Here was a combat hardened Marine who could live and function with just a Boy Scout knife and a small piece of sharpening stone.

Yep, not only do the traditionals have that soulfulness to them, not only are they things of beauty and workmanship you can just feel, they also do one heck of a job as a cutlery tool.
 
Well for some reason I got back into the "tactical" knife niche for a month or so. I don't know why I did it. I think because every now and then I think about how much a one handed opening knife with a 4" blade might help me in a bad situation. I am not so sure it would to be honest with you.

Plus now I have ripped up pockets where the G10 and the clip keep riding in and out of my pockets. I was out back whittling last night and I had to get the SAK out of my pocket because the Spyderco was too big to do the little canoe that I was whittling.

Now all I want to do is sell my tactical knives and buy a bunch of old slippies. Tell me I'm not the only one who has gone through this insanity. :grumpy:

What is weird is that I have no explanation for this. I just know that I feel more comfortable when I have a SAK or a slippie on me. There have been many times where the smaller thinner blade has been able to slice through things without binding up. Plus I like to whittle and I find that a SAK sized knife is much better for this than a "tactical" knife.

Maybe it's just me, I don't know.

Dave, I like slipjoints and tacticals. Carry one of each and your ready for anything. Larry
 
This thread was a mystery to me but I guess anyone that thinks a SAK or an Opinel is a real knife would not like fine Benchmades or Spydercos.

Nolan
 
This thread was a mystery to me but I guess anyone that thinks a SAK or an Opinel is a real knife would not like fine Benchmades or Spydercos.

Nolan

You are quite wrong. I carry and use SAKs, Spydercos and Benchmades, daily. All are "real" knives. Many of the members here agree.
 
This thread was a mystery to me but I guess anyone that thinks a SAK or an Opinel is a real knife would not like fine Benchmades or Spydercos.

Nolan

Sak's and Opinels are not real knives?

Thank you for correcting me sir. How foolish of me to think that two companies in production since 1890, and making millions of knives a year, are making "real" knives.:D
 
This thread was a mystery to me but I guess anyone that thinks a SAK or an Opinel is a real knife would not like fine Benchmades or Spydercos.

Nolan


At work a few months back, a coworker had a spyderco delica model I think? An all steel, serrated knife, pretty long, and it said POLICE on the blade. Anyway, we were cutting some rope. It was some pretty thick rope too. He was sawing away with his Spyderco, and not doing too bad, yet I was making very quick work of the very same rope with my SAK Recruit. Granted, I keep a razor sharp edge on my SAKs, so I guess it's not really fair. I guess REAL knives aren't supposed to have really really sharp edges. Silly me. I carry a three inch Case Peanut which could probably devour that rope as well, but darn, there I go again, coming at a REAL knife owner with a razor sharp cutting edge. Not fair of me. Not fair at all.
 
Shame to see the thread turning into a tacticals against slippies thread!

Both types are great!!

Tonight I carried my Spyderco ZDP-189.
Tomorrow, in a business meeting, I'll carry a Schatt & Morgan Tiny Toothpick.
Or maybe a my Queen Abalone,

Depends where you are, what your environment is at any given moment, what tasks you want the knife to accomplish for you. To take a knife out of your pocket, a real nice knife, without raising any eyebrows is a cool thing.
 
At work a few months back, a coworker had a spyderco delica model I think? An all steel, serrated knife, pretty long, and it said POLICE on the blade. Anyway, we were cutting some rope. It was some pretty thick rope too. He was sawing away with his Spyderco, and not doing too bad, yet I was making very quick work of the very same rope with my SAK Recruit. Granted, I keep a razor sharp edge on my SAKs, so I guess it's not really fair. I guess REAL knives aren't supposed to have really really sharp edges. Silly me. I carry a three inch Case Peanut which could probably devour that rope as well, but darn, there I go again, coming at a REAL knife owner with a razor sharp cutting edge. Not fair of me. Not fair at all.

I was in a bad mood until I read this:D . A little sarcasm always seems to brighten my day.
 
I really like a delica - it's like the very top of the line version of a medium size Stanley utility knife. At least that's what I do with it. It's a "Dirty Jobs" knife

I guess where I split with the tactical mindset is I've never seriously considered killing anyone with it. And I don't care how sharp it comes out of the box, because I'm going to make it sharper anyhow.
 
I think there is plenty of room in our knife world for all types (people and knives).

I came home from Blade with 5 slipjoints, a Kurdish card reproduction by Vince Evans and a small model 21 by Kit Carson.
 
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