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Agreed. Not only designed to help them, but designed in such a way as to incentivize personal responsibility, empowerment, and good moral conduct.
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Common sense knife control?
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Agreed. Not only designed to help them, but designed in such a way as to incentivize personal responsibility, empowerment, and good moral conduct.
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Not one inch.
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I am not serious about the specifics, but I do believe that when punishments are labeled "cruel and unusual", they are only cruel to the extent that they are unusual. If they were more common and predictable it would be easy to avoid the consequences.not2sharp and J jackknife I'm not too sure how serious you guys were about capital and corporal punishment, but I would guess it would precipitate a culture shift, if it were used as a matter of course and not just as a one time scare tactic in the hopes of creating a culture shift. But it's a scary idea because any precedent that government uses to effect an outcome is liable to expanding in scope.
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I definitely don't support any restrictions concerning ownership of knives (WTH?) and not really concerning carry neither. When people take a knife out and display it in ANY sort of threatening manner, that's a completely different story and it can be a thin line sometimes. I also believe in responsibility when carrying and using knives and I don't really have any problem with people pointing out when someone is carrying or displaying a knife in an inappropriate/ridiculous manner.
As long as people are being civil, polite, reasonable and responsible about it all though, I have no problems with it.
As long as people are being civil, polite, reasonable and responsible about it all though, I have no problems with it.
I am totally serious about having dire penalties for repeat offenders.
With two of my three kids in law enforcement, with our daughter a probation and parole agent, I am floored by the sheer volume of crime committed by repeat offenders. Three four, even 5 times busted for the same or similar crime. Apparently just being jailed does not work on some people. For a repeat offender of assaults/thefts/muggins/car jackings, I don't see it as outrageous to take off the right hand. Let it become the norm punishment and you'll see way less crime. Kill someone in the commission of a crime, and some nice three strand hemp will be used from an elevated position.
When you have a low life that is a clear and present, and repeat danger to society at large, I don't believe in mercy after the second chance, let alone a third!
Yes, I was serious.
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What you are describing is an assault, and that is clearly unlawful behavior, whether they use a gun, knife, fist or just threatening language.
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Believe me Carl, I am with you on the broad strokes. I have no objection to capital punishment, as I see it as a balance of justice. Ruin a life, forfeit your own. This for that, in equal measure. It's not revenge, but paying the bill, protecting society, and hopefully dissuading other would-be offenders.
However, the severing of a hand doesn't make sense to me. It does seem cruel. It also makes a person a burden and severely limits his or her ability to perform basic functions of life, let alone who knows what it will do to someone psychologically. Is a recidivist violent offender really someone we want to cripple and then put back out in the world, who now possibly feels they have nothing left to lose?? I, for one, do not want to walk amidst such potentially hateful and vengeful spirits.
Violent crime inherently threatens the lives of the victims. Just because a mugger got lucky, and the victim complied at gunpoint doesn't mean the mugger has not viewed the life of another with such absolute disregard that may have resulted in death. I think if something so severe as cutting off an essential limb is "justified", then, so is capital punishment. However, I do believe in mercy even then, in the form of a grace period before execution, in order to give the convict time to at least seek contrition and metaphysical redemption before the sentence is carried out.
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Just like the previous thread on this, there is unlikely to be any real debate, because everybody here is pro-knife. Even the ones playing devil's advocate are taking a step back and saying, "Hey, this isn't my REAL opinion." It's all just variations on a theme, the only change is the severity of the punishment for those pesky criminals. We all agree that knife laws are mostly political window dressing with a side order of stupid, because the act of using force on somebody else is already extensively covered under the penal code.
Knife laws are just a way to add an extra charge or gin up probable cause for a search or arrest. I have never been on the receiving end of that treatment, but I worked with at-risk kids for years; most of them had stories of being randomly searched or set down by the police for the way they looked. One got pulled over, car searched while they were curbed, because according to the officer there were too many "heads" in the car--there's a penalty to being a short hair Hispanic. It's good sense to keep knives out of schools and courts, but otherwise they are, no pun intended, pointless and misdirected.
Knife laws are just a way to add an extra charge or gin up probable cause for a search or arrest. I have never been on the receiving end of that treatment, but I worked with at-risk kids for years; most of them had stories of being randomly searched or set down by the police for the way they looked. One got pulled over, car searched while they were curbed, because according to the officer there were too many "heads" in the car--there's a penalty to being a short hair Hispanic. It's good sense to keep knives out of schools and courts, but otherwise they are, no pun intended, pointless and misdirected.
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Correct. More severe if you have a knife in your hand than if you don't of course.
That doesn't work with many who have the criminal mindset. I have heard first hand accounts from people who have "been there, done that" what inmate programs are really for and how they work. Take the classes, get "reformed" and get so much time removed from your sentence. However, its a system administered by the state, and as with any such government social reform system its easy to game. Once you know how to behave in front of the instructors, what you need to do to show "progress", and how to tell them what they want to hear its real easy to just breeze through and exit the penal system as a "reformed" person. The administrators don't care as it is a way of reducing inmate population and in turn cost of incarceration, reducing the prison guard staffing requirements, closing prisons etc as cost saving measures.
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I feel the government should take away everyone's knives and give them to me for "safe keeping."
Personally, I feel we need to reintroduce chivalry, honor, and dueling, whether with blade or pistol. Screw social media beefs, you gotta problem, name a time and a place. Each party bring 3 friends as witnesses and to officiate. Then again, as someone trained in martial arts and fencing, well I am rather confident in a duel of rapiers.
Personally, I feel we need to reintroduce chivalry, honor, and dueling, whether with blade or pistol. Screw social media beefs, you gotta problem, name a time and a place. Each party bring 3 friends as witnesses and to officiate. Then again, as someone trained in martial arts and fencing, well I am rather confident in a duel of rapiers.
How big a mouth and attitude would some creep have if he didn't know you, but knowing if he goes to far, he will get called out and his life will be on the line? I can only think that if dueling were legal, people would practice a far more polite speech and manners, if they thought they're loose tongue would cost their life.
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Honestly, I'm a little surprised how many people are in favor of allowing knives in schools, airports, government buildings, etc. with absolutely no restrictions.
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"An armed society is a polite society." Robert Heinlein
How big a mouth and attitude would some creep have if he didn't know you, but knowing if he goes to far, he will get called out and his life will be on the line? I can only think that if dueling were legal, people would practice a far more polite speech and manners, if they thought they're loose tongue would cost their life.
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Yeah, the Wild West was just so polite and civilized.
I've seen far too many of real life cases to believe that the true criminal minded would be rehabilitated. They don't care! They know how to smooze that prison psychologist, fake the 'remorse' they feel for the poor victim they shot in that robbery, find Christ in the wee hours of night in their cell, whatever. Once they become a recidivist, there is no redemption, so there should be no mercy. The cutting off the hand will do a couple things; one, give a good healthy fear of the criminal justice system that is soooo totally lacking now. Its a joke. If the repeat offender will not respect the rights of others, then let him feat the consequences of it. If it was common for a second offense to loose tha right hand, a lotto wold. be punks will thin twice. If not, well just sharpen up the amputation tool. Just by the act of pointing a gun at a victim, the criminal is endangering the life of an innocent person. He doesn't have to pull the trigger, what if he "accidentally" twitches and it goes off? "Well your honor, I really didn't mean to shoot the guy, but I was really nervous and it just went off!" Aaa, we're not gonna go there. The crime is done, let them pay the penalty. If its the second offense, then kiss that righthand goodbye.
I don't care about what kind of effect it will. have on him, but one effect will be that everyone on the street will keep an eye on the one hand guy. And it will be a lot harder for him to continue his criminal career with just a left hand.
I've been very disgusted at the lack of effect our joke of a criminal justice system has on the hardened criminals. Innocent people pay for that ineffectiveness of dealing with crime. Often with their life. If we felt with criminals in a more serious way, the fear of the law will keep some punks, just punks instead of them graduating to the felon class.
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You have to understand that when I was in grade school, knives were allowed and even encourage. I remember teachers telling us to bring a sharp knife tomorrow because we are going to be working on an arts and craft project. It was the same for many of us; the "Zero Tolerance" (zero sense) garbage is very a recent development. Back then, I remember people bringing firearms into elementary schools to teach 5th graders about basic gun safety, or for show and tell. Even so, no one got hurt; these items are benign unless someone with criminal intent acts on them. We didn't have many of those, because when someone acted up they were labelled juvenile delinquents and transferred to a reform school.
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How big a mouth and attitude would some creep have if he didn't know you, but knowing if he goes to far, he will get called out and his life will be on the line? I can only think that if dueling were legal, people would practice a far more polite speech and manners, if they thought they're loose tongue would cost their life.
Sure, let's just stab anybody who doesn't agree with us. Or shoot them, you know, legally. Because nobody ever lies, cheats, or brings in a ringer...... Over 30,000 French nobles died in duels in the run up to dueling being outlawed under penalty of death. The government can't kill you for what you say, so private citizens get to fill the gap?
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Absolutely NO restrictions. Can knives be used as weapons? Yes. Some were designed as weapons first...true Daggers are nothing but weapons. They were designed to go between the plates of armor to kill the enemy...a tool to kill.
If people couldn't get a knife to do damage with, there are a ton of other choices you have to do harm. A piece of conduit. How about a stick (ever hear of a quarterstaff?). Screwdriver, hammer, my linemans!
Restricting knives is stupid. If I want to walk around with my BK7 or Kabar, or even a short sword, why shouldn't I? I have no desire to hurt somebody. Not that I would just walk around with a big fixed blade, but I do regularly carry a Saddle Mountain Skinner or BK16.
Don't punish the innocent. That's all the laws and restrictions do.
If people couldn't get a knife to do damage with, there are a ton of other choices you have to do harm. A piece of conduit. How about a stick (ever hear of a quarterstaff?). Screwdriver, hammer, my linemans!
Restricting knives is stupid. If I want to walk around with my BK7 or Kabar, or even a short sword, why shouldn't I? I have no desire to hurt somebody. Not that I would just walk around with a big fixed blade, but I do regularly carry a Saddle Mountain Skinner or BK16.
Don't punish the innocent. That's all the laws and restrictions do.