Community Quality Control Measures and an Investigation

[IaccidentlyCutmyThumb]

we all hoped qc and shortcuts and cost savings measures wouldn't happen with gsm, but we all knew it would....

Like I said several times, the "SK-5" issues are not limited to GSM's ownership. It might get worse, it might become a thing in other steel types, who knows? But Lynn's CS had this issue as well, if there even is an issue to be found.

 

[jbmonkey]

Like I said several times, the "SK-5" issues are not limited to GSM's ownership. It might get worse, it might become a thing in other steel types, who knows? But Lynn's CS had this issue as well, if there even is an issue to be found.

you assumed to much here...I wasn't talking about the sk5 issue only. there are other quality issues. im talking those. you obviously are focused on the sk5 issue by itself.

 

[IaccidentlyCutmyThumb]

you assumed to much here...I wasn't talking about the sk5 issue only. there are other quality issues. im talking those. you obviously are focused on the sk5 issue by itself.

Oh yeah, this is about the metallurgy issues. I know there have been a few other issues. Perhaps it would be good if you could outline all of them, and we can see if they can be folded into additional tests, if testing is necessary. One example I know of would be the tangs on the Bushmen series, and the SRK having a hollow grind. Would you be willing to list some of the other issues?

 

[jbmonkey]

Oh yeah, this is about the metallurgy issues. I know there have been a few other issues. Perhaps it would be good if you could outline all of them, and we can see if they can be folded into additional tests, if testing is necessary. One example I know of would be the tangs on the Bushmen series, and the SRK having a hollow grind. Would you be willing to list some of the other issues?

if ya to talk about the metallurgy issues only, that's fine.

maybe change thread title to say.......

Community Quality Control Measures and an Investigation for metallurgy only......

 

[4MX]

Andrew Demko commented on this exact issue. As I recall, he said something along the lines of you order the knives in a particular steel, say Aus8a or SK5, the factories tell you okay and give a great price, then they deliver something totally different that they say is the same or equivalent. He said they do that all the time and if you dont seriously test and monitor you get burned. I have heard that from other sources and industries as well, that you simply cannot trust anything coming out of China unless you test it yourself.

But how do we, as buyers, know where the steel REALLY came from. Aus8a, for example, is Japanese. Sorry, real Aus8a is Japanese, but China will happily sell you their version for less. If you think it is the same you are mistaken. They will build the buildings and bridges that their own families drive on out of duct tape and Styrofoam, just imagine how little they care about the steel in some foreigner's pocketknife. Might look good on the surface, but that's about it. Hell, we are talking about the same folks who shipped poisonous baby formula and dog food and drywall and....

Remember too the problems Cold Steel had sourcing actual quality A2. How many batches did they test and reject before giving up completely? Only some v3ry expensive American A2 even came close to the standard.

This is why I am pretty well finished with GSM. Cold Steel struggled to maintain quality in a world filled with deception, fraud, and garbage. They actually tried. GSM, in my opinion, will almost certainly embrace the trash metals. China SK5 for half the price? Sounds like a bargain, just make sure you label it properly and no one can say a word.

All of the above is just my opinion and concerns.

This is a good reason to buy and support Particular Metallurgy steels like S35VN. Crucible and Carpenter have very tight quality control. That's a big reason why I bought three 4 Max Elites during the recent big retailer sale, two AD-15s off Ebay at a big discount and a Recon. Everyone expects the worst with GSM but I really prefer Cold Steel's knife designs to every other company. I hate that I stayed with pretentious Spyderco for as long as I did, I no doubt missed out on some great deals from the era before the internet sales tax.

 

[IaccidentlyCutmyThumb]

if ya to talk about the metallurgy issues only, that's fine.

maybe change thread title to say.......

Community Quality Control Measures and an Investigation for metallurgy only......

Well metallurgy issues can be tested across samples. Again, like I said, you can list the other issues and we can see what can be done/included in this.