Compass

I keep wanting to suggest you turn around or turn the compass over. Somehow you must have magnetized the opposite side of the needle, maybe by constant rubbing against cloth?
hmm that sounds plausible. I wonder can it be reversed?

OT- for some reason for the past two days my AVG antivirus keeps warning me not to go to bladeforums because it says there is malware here!
I've never had any problems with AVG before, very strange.
 
Baseplate Orienteering Compass for sure.

To those who might be interested, I had a friend who was in the outdoor business, and he told me the story of Silva...

Silva (the company in Sweden) contracted with an American company (Johnson Outdoors) to market their products, which they did.

Then, some years later, the relationship soured. And Silva (the company in Sweden), tried to market their products directly, but they could not, because Johnson Outdoors owned the name 'Silva of Sweden'.

So, for awhile, Silva (the company in Sweden), marketed their products under the name Nexus. But, this did not prove successful.

So, then, they bought a different company, out of Wyoming, called Brunton. And, it seemed to me that such was more successful.

But, now, Brunton and Silva (the company in Sweden) are owned by Fiskars, as Gerber has been for some time.

Marion


I found this news bit, that explains some the latest developments...
http://www.fiskars.fi/news/press_h.html?Id=hex_200606300000052152.html
 
Ha score! Just found a book my sister gave me when i was in highschool!
Its been hidden in a box in my parents basement for a loooong time.
"Map & Compass-The Orienteering Handbook by Bjorn Kjellstrom"
 
I have a couple of compasses that sit in the drawer. Its hard to get lost here ,but I have managed it twice. I use to have one on a watch band . It worked well enough and I used it .
 
Ha score! Just found a book my sister gave me when i was in highschool!
Its been hidden in a box in my parents basement for a loooong time.
"Map & Compass-The Orienteering Handbook by Bjorn Kjellstrom"

That is a score. I have a really old version of that book. Very nice.

Marion
 
In the U.S. the Brunton 15TDCL - the 'Type 15' - is THE current version of the classic ranger-style compass. It is made by Silva of Sweden. It is a very nice compass that I highly recommend.

As someone above mentioned, even a simple baseplate compass will take you a long way when learning orienteering. The next step up - in my view - is to get a compass with adjustable declination - such as is available with the Brunton 9020G, 8010G, 8097, and 8096. The next step up is to get a compass with a sighting mirror, such as the 15DTCL or the 8099 - which can also be used as a signal mirror or to put on eye makeup (kidding). These theoretically provide more accurate field bearings - I think they do.

The Brunton 8096 that the original post mentioned is a very nice compass that will serve you well. Stepping up from that I'd recommend the 15DTCL.
 
By the way, I also have a Suunto M-3 and have found it to be a VERY nice compass w/ adjustable declination at a very reasonable price. If I had the Brunton 8096 I think I'd stick with that unless I was stepping up to a mirrored compass.
 
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I also teach a pretty extensive land nav course, and I have to agree with Dannyboy.

Baseplate (or thumb compass if you are going to adventure race) is really the way to go.

Most people that navigate with the Cammenga (or lensatic compass) are doing gross navigation. If you try to perform the same detailed navigation with a lensatic that you do with a baseplate, you are going to seriously complicate your life.

Let me give you an example:

You know where you are at on the map. You see a lake you want to go to. With a baseplate compass you do the following:
- Line the edge of your compass up with where you are at, and where you want to go.
- Spin the capsule until the meridian lines match the north/south lines on your map.
- Done!

Things to take note of this method:
- Orientation of the map is not important.
- Location of magnetic need is not important (you can do this on a metal table or dancing in a circle).
- You are simply using the protractor part of your compass. The magnetic needle only comes in to play when you shoot the bearing to walk it.

Why this is hard with a lensatic:

- Line up the compass edge to your route of travel, and the lensatic wants to give you a number. What does that number mean?
Option A) If you map is oriented north, then your reading is the one you need to travel. However, orienting a map in the field, then trying to spin and move your compass along your line of travel can be difficult. It usually goes like this: Orient map. Go to move compass…..shit! Did the map move? I am not sure, so I better re-orient. Okay, map is good again. Try to move compass along like of travel and spin. Shit….did the map move! Repeat : ) Add on top of that rain, bugs, fatigue, and you get what I mean about this making your life complicated! Also to note that this method relies on the magnetic needle in the compass to give you “the number.” Which means that route planning can be difficult. Set your compass on the table some time and move it around. The needle will go all over the place. It is very HARD to find a table with no metal in it. If you decide to use a small clip board to make orienting the map easier, they have metal clips to beware of. With a baseplate, you are simply using the protractor (not the needle) and do not have this issue.
Option B) Have your number be relative to another number. Don’t orient the map, but find out the reading for the north/south lines on the map. Use math (which I am not a fan of in the field) between that number and your number to determine what bearing you should shoot to get there. Sound complicated? I think so.

Another way around this with the lensatic is to actually carry one of the square map protractors. It will allow you to work more like my description with the baseplate. But, the way I figure is the lensatic is already bigger and heavier than a very nice sighting baseplate, why would I want to bring along another piece of gear to worry about and forget.

Keep in mind, that this was meant to be a simple example, and it is only one. Trust me, the baseplate compass will make your life much easier.

Nothing against the Cammenga. I have one, and they are very nice and rugged as hell. But, it seems that most people that use them are doing “gross” navigation. Such as “I headed in Northwest, and I need to return Southeast." Most are not doing more detailed bearing taking or anything else to realize that it is more complicated than it needs to be.

Also, not to take away from the compass, there is a reason the military uses them. Besides the durability, they can be extremely accurate. They also have a scale on them in mils, which helps in accuracy, but also does make the math easier. Still, I prefer to use no math myself. Just letting you know how they use it there.

A couple other downsides (in my opinion) about the Cammenga are:
- Non declination adjustable. The better baseplates are declination adjustable and can make life so easy!
- Dial is only in 5 degree increments : ( Why have such an accurate sighting compass, and then have guess that much at your bearing? Most baseplate compasses are 2 degree increments, which very accurately lets you split that for 1 degree of accuracy, and without much trouble is very easy to determine bearings to 1/2 of a degree. Much better system IMO.
- Magnfiying glass will not start a fire. It is too weak. I realize that this is not the intention of the glass, but why not have everything multi-purpose.

With all that said....I strongly recommend a baseplate. You have a good one there, so no worries.

One other thing to note, I love the global needles on the Suunto's. Not because I travel the world frequently, but because the separated needle/magnet design is very forgiving for hold angle and also causes the need to dampen super smooth and super fast.

I don't know if I covered stuff as clear as I think I did. So, if you have any questions.....shoot away.

B


Wow.... very well said Brian. :thumbup::thumbup:

I was a scout in the Army, I used a lensatic compass extensivly. Mils is used to call for fire from damn near everything that shoots. Map and protractor is very comfortable for me, and personally, Ive never had any issues from a Cammenga compass. Very nice tool.

That said, you have me wanting to get out of my comfort zone a bit and try a baseplate.

Thanks for the great post Brian!!!
 
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