Computer Suggestions

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Hey Gang, I am considering getting a new Computer and would like some input. I currently have a 5 year old IBM clone Pentium 2, external 56K Modem, 13" color monitor. One of the faults of my current system is that if I have too many Windows open at once the computer will basically stop (hang up).

My wife and I are online quite a bit in the evenings so we decided to get DSL which will be avaiable in our area March 1st. I would like to purchase a new computer prior to that in order to take advantage of the new line. I use the computer 70% for business applications and 30% for entertainment.

I would like some recommendations of items/features that are a must(even a short bullet list is fine). I have heard good things about DELL and not so great things about GATEWAY. Just looking for feedback from folks who are more knowledgeable.

Thanks in advance.
 
Avoid HP.

Before getting my current PC, I got an HP Pavilion 764 which was their hottest PC at the time. It was unable to burn CDs. After 16 hours (literally, timed) on the phone with HP Tech Support in numerous calls, after re-installing the whole operating system software... twice, which takes two hours each time, they finally determined that it was a bad drive and offered to send me a post-paid label so that I could return it to them for repair. I returned it to the store for an replacement. The new one was able to burn CD's, of course, and also able to send e-mail, but not to receive e-mail. After eight hours on the phone with HP Tech support in numerous calls, and reloading the software once (I refused to go through that a second time... actually fourth if you count the first PC) they determined that part of the operating system software was corrupt (apparently installed wrong at the factory) and couldn't be fixed in the field. Again, I was offered the return label. I took it back to the store and exchanged it for my current Fry's Brand PC.

When I complained bitterly to HP, they offered me a very nice gift to appologize for my inconvenience: a printer ink cartrige. That's right, twenty-four hours of my time spent on the phone with their tech support, many more hours spent rebooting and reloading and so forth, two out-of-box-bad PCs, and their appology was an ink cartrige. I might have taken it if I owned an HP printer.
 
One Word....ALIENWARE!

hehehhe

seriously though...

What you should be looking at is a computer with at least 120gb hard drive....a CD-rw DVD drive combo thingy...if you can spend some extra get a DVD-rw drive...that's 4.7gb on a disc (i wish i had that to store my porn collection)....

THen they should give a printer and a scanner free as well...

MOnitors are really up to you...flat screen CRT or one of those cool flat lcd's...you'll know which one you can afford...

ALso...max out on the memory (GET THE MOST YOU CAN AFFORD)...the computer speed itself is not as important as the RAM you got in it...this is what is causing your old computer to hang when opening multiple applications...

to sum up..

-MAXIMUM MEMORY YOU CAN AFFORD
-min. 2.4ghz Pentium 4
-min. 120gb hard drive
-cd-rw/dvd combo drive-----or dvd-rw drive if you can afford it
-soundblaster audigy2 soundcard
-decent graphics card (a geforce fx 5200)
-network card should be installed on most computers but ask them...

anyway...that should get you going for a home office machine...you can even play the latest games on it...

i can't think of anything else...

oh yeah...dell is good...but don't expect to be able to upgrade much with it...i've been using my dell for 2 1/2 years now...no problems at all...
Building your own is cheaper and you get more satisfaction...it's real easy and there're loads of guides available online and in magazines...

Back in Malaysia what we do is go to the computer stall....it's just a small kiosk of some sort...you have a huge list of components with checkboxes...you just tick the ones you want and in 2 hours time you pick up your brand new computer...
THis way you can get a super computer dirt cheap...
 
Originally posted by Kampfjaeger
Build your own. It'll cost less and you get more bang for your buck.

http://www.newegg.com
http://www.directron.com

Two great places online to buy parts - very reputable. I continue to give them my business.

This would be my recommendation. I am a big fan of building my own, I know what is in there and I find that I can get a little better price. The only drawback is that you don't get all the bundled software that comes with the big name brand companies.

www.newegg.com is who I bought all my recent computer parts from and they are top notch.
 
Originally posted by boobar
This would be my recommendation. I am a big fan of building my own, I know what is in there and I find that I can get a little better price. The only drawback is that you don't get all the bundled software that comes with the big name brand companies.

www.newegg.com is who I bought all my recent computer parts from and they are top notch.

If you can't "build your own" can you get someone to build one for you? My ex-boyfriend built this one for me. (Best thing I ever got outta him. ;) )

~ashes
 
Well I am a bit of a computer geek, so what I would do is build my own, definetly. I have owned two Gateway's, and haven't had any problems. I am currently using a Gateway, and my biggest regret is that I didn't build one myself instead. I will try to give you some advice that will be of use whatever you decide to do.

I would say go for Windows XP, it is the best version of Windows I have seen so far. Basically it is the same as Windows 2000, but with a simplified way of changing settings etc. which would be good for you if you don't know to much about them. It is very stable and all but eliminates crashes and that old blue screen of death.

Now if you are going to go with Windows XP, and you really don't have much of an option unless you want to go Mac or Linux, you absolutely MUST have 256 megs of ram. 512 would be even better, it is what I have and has been working just fine, but if you can afford more get it. Yes Windows is a HUGE memory hog, my machine uses about 200 meg with only Windows running. If you want to be able to work with multiple programs without and hang time you need sufficient memory to hold all of them. That means realistically at least 512.

As for the HD, well I usually go abit smaller than most people would. I would rather spend the extra money on RAM. If you will be doing mostly work, and are not working with graphics, movies or music, then it would be hard to fill a 40gig drive. I also tend to think that having an overly large drive tends to make you keep more junk on that drive. As the drive gets filled it will slow down your computer more. I have a 40gig drive, and have been using it for almost four years now. I installed multiple games, downloaded music and pictures. I also store all of my school assignments, and various other programs that I use. I also have a fair share of junk that I put on, used once or twice and never bothered again. That said I have just reached about 50% full.

Video and sound depend greatly on what you plan to be doing as far as entertainment. If you mean just surfing the web then any cheap sound and video cards would do just fine. I wouldn't recommend using something that comes built in as a part of the motherboard. It steals performance from your computer, that you could be using to do something more useful, even when not playing games. If you want to get into gaming , well then the sky is the limit. You can go and get the most recent cards and spend tons of money. Generally the best value is something that has been around for a while, and has just been passed over by the latest and greatest. You can get cards that will perform just fine for gaming and movies for under $100. Unless you are a PC gaming junkie that will be more than you need.

I doubt you could get a prebuilt PC without a NIC, or network card, but whatever you do make sure you have a NIC. They are not that expensive and are commonly used for broadband service. Also don't forgo on the old 56k modem just because you have plans to get DSL. It is another item that is cheap and you never know when it may come in handy. Another tren with pre-built PCs is to give no floppy drive. I don't really like this, as the floppy is still a real convinient way to store data and transfer between two PCs. Sure Zip disks and CDs are faster and hold more, but not every PC will have a zip drive, and not every PC will have a CDR. Also you can't overwrite on CDR, and they are more expensive than the old standby floppy drive. If you are comfortable you could even just take the one out of your old computer and put it into the new one. I still find myself using my floppy drive on rare occasions, even though I have CDR and Zip drives. Also get a CD-R/RW drive as they are the best for backingup your data. I would say a DVD drive isn't really necessary, I have one but never use it. Zip drives are nice if you can afford them, but the disks are pricey. Also if you work on more than one computer they aren't that common.

I just got an LCD monitor and love it. They are expensive though, and not at all necessary for normal usage. I just got one because somehow a knife ended up stuck in my CRT:rolleyes: :confused: . LCD's are nice, and save a ton of desktop space, but they are expensive. It is really just a question of how much you have to spend. If your budget is kind of tight then just get a CRT, it will serve you well. Having a top of the line monitor and crummy computer isn't worth much.

As for the processor, well any modern processor will be fine really. Obviously the faster it is the better, and the longer before it is obsolete. No need to go for the fastest one, bet you couldn't even really tell the difference. If you are budget concious AMD offers good bang for the buck, and they are every bit as reliable as a Pentium. Although if you are buying from Dell you are limited in your options.

As for peripherals, I will say there are a couple of things to get n matter waht. I would say an optical mouse is a must, and get one with a scroll wheel and back / forward buttons. You will never want to go back, it makes navigating the web so easy and faster too. As it is optical it will never get dirty or need cleaning, and it will always move smoothly and precisely. I would also say go for a laser printer. A black and white can be had for under $200, and is just 100 times better than those inkjets. I did the inkjet thing and just got so fed up with them. The ink clogs, runs out at the worst possible momment, and is so expensive to buy. Then after all that all you get is an okay quality color image. I print almost exclusively in B&W anyway, as I also am mostly just doing school work or other work. If I do print a web page or somehting for reference I don't need the color. Color is nice, but not a necessity as far as I am concerned.

Told you I was a bit of a computer geek!:D Okay, a HUGE computer geek.;) HTH
 
Another vote for build your own, but only if you have an interest in tinkering with toys, because it will involve a lot of tinkering. :cool: It's not difficult, there are numerous websites that can guide you through it. I'll second the recommendation of newegg.com if you decide to go that route. I'll elaborate on some good stuff to look for later, when I have a bit more time.

If you'd rather just buy a pre-built system, I can recommend Dell for sure. My parents just got one and I have to say it's pretty nice. Not a power system at all, but more than adequate for a non-geek who just wants to browse the web and run office applications. It's also whisper quiet, which is an aspect my self-built system needs help with.
 
Thanks a bunch for the great advice. I will start researching the Build your Own option, I'm not much of a mechanic but my Wife (and her brother) both are - lucky me! :D

Keep the thoughts coming. I will print this whole thread off and compile all the information into one sheet before I start my buying.
 
Build your own is great ( it's what I do), if you want to put in the effort to research the best parts, put 'em together, load the OS, etc. I tell MY customers to just buy a DELL. Look into their refurbished units (same quality, same warranty), might not be the cheapest, but well worth the money.
If you DO build your own, I second the vote for newegg.com EXCELLENT!
Windows XP,
512 MB ram is plenty,
7200 RPM HDD (MAxtor or Western Dig.)
AMD processor (I have a 2500+ that EASILY overclocked to 3200+, for $80)
check these sites for more specific recommendations:
http://arstechnica.com/guide/system/index.html
http://www.hardwareguys.com/guides/basic-amd.html
have fun!
 
Go with Dell -- best odds for getting a solid desktop system with good customer support.

Unless you have close friend geek type who builds a lot of PCs and you can count on this friend to be your personal vendor and consultant, I recommend you don't go the build it yourself route. If you run into problems here (and many do), you are going to need expert with time available to support you and your custom PC.
 
Charlie makes a good point; if you have a willing geek to help you out it makes it a lot easier. Here's my recommendation for a good basic system with a little room to grow:

- Windows XP Home (OEM version)
- AMD Athlon XP 2500+ OEM These are dirt cheap and run cool. I think they're one of the best deals going right now, when coupled with a motherboard using the nForce2 chipset.
- Vantec"Copper X"CPU Cooler for basic cooling needs; go with something more robust if you want to overclock. A Zalman flower heatsink would work well too, and they're very quiet. Get the all-copper one.
- Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe motherboard. Also consider the Abit NF7-S V2. The base models of these boards are good too, but lack several advanced features such as mounting holes for heavy duty heatsinks. For a base system they may be just the thing, but be aware of what you're giving up before you buy.
- At least 512 MB PC2700 or PC3200 RAM. Get PC3200 only if you want to overclock. If you can afford it, get 1 GB of RAM. You won't regret it.
- Geforce FX 5200/5700 graphics card
OR
- Radeon 9600/9800 w/128 MB RAM. If this is to be strictly a web and office machine, any old card will do. If you have any interest at all in games get one of the above. DO NOT buy the latest greatest whiz-bang card unless you're really rich. They aren't worth it.
- Sound Blaster Audigy 2 sound card (onboard audio SUCKS, Audigy RULES)
- Samsung 52X24X52X16 CD-RW/DVD Combo Drive , Model SM-352BRNS. I have found both Lite-On and Pioneer drives to be VERY noisy, while my Samsung drive was silent. Go Samsung if you care about keeping the noise down.
- Western Digital 120 GB 7200 RPM hard drive with 8 MB cache. This is the sweet spot for dollars per GB, although you can find the 160 and 200 GB drives on sale at Best Buy and CompUSA for $.50 a GB sometimes. IMO anything over 120 GB is overkill unless you're doing something which requires a lot of storage. I've yet to fill my 80 GB drive or even come close to filling it.
- A quality 300+ watt power supply. Antec is a good brand, so is Enermax. Zalman has a good rep and makes virtally silent power supplies. DO NOT skimp on the PS. This is the thing which powers all of your components. If it's consantly allowing voltage spikes and lags, your equipment will just wear out faster.
- Consider noise while buying your case. I'm getting an Antec Sonata based on reviews I've read saying how quiet it is. Newegg is great because they have customer reviews. Read them.

Everything else is just icing on the cake. LCD monitors have a smaller footprint, but usually aren't suitable for gaming. They're also more expensive than comparable CRTs. You can find great deals on both types of monitors on ebay and uBid if you look. Just be very careful about the terms which you're buying under. Good luck and feel free to ask for clarification on anything I posted here. :)
 
Another option is to buy a bare-bones Dell system (with a respectable cpu) and add aftermarket RAM, video card, sound card, monitor, optical drives, hard drive, power supply, etc. You start with a working system and OS already installed, which makes building the rest a lot easier if you don't have a geek to consult.
 
Dell's are not particularly upgradeable. Lots of proprietary parts there and they use a completely non standard powersupply.

Off the shelf, Alienware, Voodoo, Falcon are the best and you'll pay for it too. Wife has the Alienware and it's a screaming machine.

I've built my last two or three computers. There's a bunch of details to deal with. www.maximumpc.com should have their how to guide available on their website. I'll see if I can find it.

Phil
 
I did some checking around at brick and mortar computer stores as well as on the internet when I needed to replace my old computer. I ended up with Dell and can recommend that company without hesitation--especially if you're not a geek-type. I found the ordering system, delivery, and end product very satisfying.

Building your own system makes alot of sense. Dell can help you with the "building": 1) call their sales staff; tell them how you will be using the computer and your budget--they'll recommend a package according to your parameters, or 2) go online to their website and follow the instructions to pick from the ala carte menu on the components you want installed in your system (they even explain what each component does, if you need it and how much of it you need). Also, check to see if you qualify for the listed discount programs the offer (e.g., educators). Keep an eye on the bottom line (final price) and adjust as needed.

I'd recommend that you go with a mid-priced system if you can afford it. Reason: Plan on replacing your computer every three years (advancing technology and software requirements will probably drive this action). If you pay too little (low-end system), you won't have the performance that you could have gotten if you had just paid a little more. If you pay too much (high-end system), you may not really need all of the horsepower you bought and you will be reluctant to replace it when it becomes functionally obsolete because you paid alot for it. Do buy as much RAM and hard drive space that you can afford. An LCD flat panel monitor of at least 17" may well be worth the cost for the superior viewing--they are also supposed to last longer than CRT monitors so think of your purchase lasting for another go around with your next computer. Also, don't put off installing a component that you know you will be needing but think that you'll install later--it'll cost more in time and money to do it later so more often than not it won't get done.

No, I'm not a computer geek nor am I a Dell employee or investor. If I know of a good thing, I like to share it with others. I hope this helps.
 
when we bought computers 2 years ago, i researched it to death- every one i asked had a different answer- but i did hear dell a lot. but i had a friend who was into macintosh(big time geek) who kept telling me if i bought mac i would never go back-i use dells at work-we get new ones every year- i truly would not trade this imac im using now for the best anything that dell has. 2 1/2 yrs, 2 computers sitting side by side - not one crash-not one blank page- not one screen full of crazy numbers or information-and the software is incredible-if you watch t.v. you will almost always see macs on tv shows-reason is because the recording and television industry(including special affects)use mac almost exclusively- a lot of large and private schools use macs-also a lot of specialist in the medical field. you said mostly for business and 30% for entertainment-there is not a huge selection of games, but the quality of the games is very good-lots of user friendly software for home and office, something to think about, go to the apple store online and check it out, also can tell you that customer service and support are excellent:)
 
scfishr, another point-of-view is always a good thing. I researched Macs a long time ago when I was looking to replace my older PC. (I even read the book "How Macs Work" from cover to cover (more than once). My conclusion--at that time--was that the Mac was technically superior to the PC in product design (I'm not talking about cosmetics here) and the concept of how software and hardware interacted. However, what influenced my purchase was a walk down the aisles in the software section of a computer store and the comparison of prices beween Macs and PCs. There were about 6 times more software for PCs than for Macs. Apple hardware seemed to be over-priced for comparably equipped PCs. I don't think much have changed over the years.

Spyderco or Benchmade, Chevy or Ford, PC or Mac--it's a subjective choice (logic be damned). But, I agree you're right about the Mac being the better choice for certain computer applications.
 
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