Concerned about Nukes

When you Bug out your only making a sad attempt to rebuild your lifestyle in a way. Sleeping bag/tent = bedroom etc...

If your not in a big city I would stay put. If you have some woods next to you all the better for firewood/hunting what have you. Its very very stupid to leave everything and "bug out" unless your 110% sure you need to, your going to leave behind a $100,000+ house and all your belongings. Taking a gun and some other stuff isnt going to keep you alive for long. Their will always be " did I do the right thing by leaving all that behind?" If you leave and you dont really need to your house will prolly be looted to the max/destroyed.

Also by leaving other people who know/care about you wont know where you went. You might get in real troubble and nobody could help you or your family. It really takes alot of carefull thinking before you do such rational things.


If a city near you gets nuked unless your a few hundred miles away just go to the store and buy extra food and water and turn on CNN.

Just my .02
 
SubaruSTi said:
When you Bug out your only making a sad attempt to rebuild your lifestyle in a way. Sleeping bag/tent = bedroom etc...
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What you say is generally true, but there are genuine conditions under which you might want to bug out. Think Katrina.

That said, bugging out should usually mean taking enough to get you to your next permanent shelter. Again, thinking about Katrina, bugging out meant running off to the nearest city outside of the destruction zone caused by the hurricane, to going all the way across country to live with relatives/kind strangers.

The idea of bugging out to live permanently in the woods is, I think, a fantasy scenario that is simply unlikely to ever occur in our lifetimes.

BTW, I live in Silicon Valley, so I was amused when I had a conversation with people about grab and go kits here, and everyone talked about how they backed up their computers to external hard drives so they could take that and bail if the big one hits. Priorities. It's all about priorities. ;)
 
This will probably not go over well here but it is what I believe.......

Best way to protect ourselves against nukes, terrorists, etc. is to become proactive as a nation in trying to solve underlying problems that create conflict. This is not done with force but compassion, concern, and intellignet action.

There are too many nuclear weapons out there now to be sure a major war won't be set off and we can't win by blasting the rest of the world apart. There are too many ways terrorists can ultimately get to us to stop it all with walls & guns forever. Just think about viruses.

Trying to solve problems beats hiding underground and scrounging to survive any day.

Vietnam, Iraq, Lebanon (for Israel) has demonstrated that having the big guns does not mean you can win. The world is changing. We can adapt or ???
 
I'd like to buy the world a Coke and teach them to sing in perfect harmony too. But it just is not going to happen. Conflict of interests just...is. Mr. Chamberlin, Charles Lindburgh and others tried appeasement prior to our involvement in the "big one". We tried working with "Papa Joe" prior to the cold war.

More to the point, you will not negotiate your way out of a Mt. St. Helens, the World Trade Center, Hurricane Katrina, a tidal surge set off deep in the Pacific, a wildfire fanned by strong winds, mudslides, earthquakes, a tornado, rioting and lawlessness of whatever cause, etc. The advice to hunker down is good in some cases, but what if you are under orders to evacuate? A train derailment releases ammonia and chlorine gas nearby. Every day truckloads of nuclear waste, biological and chemical weapons travel across the map from depot to depot for incineration or burial. A hazardous chemical processing plant blows up. A local river rises beyond it's 100 year flood plane and cholera threatens, oil goes sky high and the food trucks don't roll, have-nots lay siege to your neighborhood as their own personal supply house. There are all sorts of reasons to leave an area, most of them natural not manmade, or the consequence of natural disasters.

The idea of a collective responsibility is good in some cases, but generally speaking, taking personal responsibility for yourself and your family's survival is much more preferable. Don't expect "them" to bail you out. Even if it happens, you will be SOL if you arrive at a shelter (thing stadium in New Orleans) with nothing but the clothes on your back. Or living in your attic as flood waters creep up the walls of your home because "they" were responsible for your safety.

Just another view from an old...

Codger
 
I agree with Codger, but even if it were an avenue that our government might have been able to explore, our government no longer has any credibility on the world stage, so whatever they put out there will seem like lies, a trick and self serving.

If you keep your left hand hidden from view when you offer your right in friendship, you will always be held suspect.
 
And if you leave your ass hanging out, someone will always come along willing to kick it. ;)
 
Codger,

I totally agree with the personal responsibility aspect of it. Expecting that bad things should not happen and finding someone to blame or sue if they do has become a national pastime.

I agree regarding preparation. We cannot control the future but we can prepare for the possibilities.

As far as "appeasement", etc. I don't think that will ever work because it is trying to deal with governments. As you said "conflict of interest" , etc.

At the same time our national attitudes direct how we effect the rest of the world and what comes back to us.

It is the same with how we live on individual basis with the people around us.
If our personal attitude is that we have the right to tell everyone what to do and to beat them up when they are not - we are going to have real problems in our lives.

If we try to understand the people around us and see things from their perspectives we will have a better idea how to deal with them. If we deal with them with compassion and treat them as we would ourselves they will want to do the same for us. It may not change immediately or in every situation but in the long run it will make a huge difference.

I think it works the same way on international levels as it does on personal levels. It all just comes down to people and how we are.
 
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