Concerning Radioactive Metal Contamination

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Hello all,

Not to be an alarmist or anything, but I've been very curious within the past few months if the steel and knife companies test for possible radioactive metal contamination (ie. cobalt-60, uranium, etc) of their steel alloys.

I bring this up now, because I've read in the news of this cobalt-60 contamination of steel imported from India, Mexico, China, and Taiwan. I believe recently a few months ago there were a bunch of steel pots made from from cobalt-60 contaminated steel imported from China. Do any of the major knife making companies test for this? Is it necessary? Who's ultimately responsible for the testing? What are the risks?

I only googled it a bit, but I would like to hear from the other forum members in the know, and if possible from the knife companies as well. From what I gathered so far, apparently highly senstive ionizing radiation detectors are required (not just simple geiger counters) to catch this sort of contamination before it reaches your final end product. But if such protocols are set in place for companies in the U.S. then what of the steel and knife factories that are in the previously mentioned countries?
 
Of course all my knives are radioactive. They had better be! I didn't pay all that money for a Zombie Killer for it not to be. Everyone knows they gotta be radioactive to be effective. I mean like, what's the problem? We all have lead lined sheaths anyway.:thumbup:
 
Um... are they recycling nuclear reactors?
Wiki said:
Occurrence
Due to the quite short lifetime there is no natural Co60. Artificial 60Co is created by bombarding a 59Co target with a slow neutron source, usually 252Cf moderated through water to slow the neutrons down, or in a nuclear reactor such as CANDU, where adjuster rods usually made of steel are instead made of Co-59.[4]:

If you're not picking it up from a geiger counter, ingestion is the is the only way to cause serious health issues. Unless you clean your bench stones with your tongue, an EDC won't do any harm... even if you keister it
 
Where did you read about it, honestly I had not heard anything and thus am skeptical.
 
This is a big story that really was covered up.

Here is the article:
http://www.window.state.tx.us/border/ch09/cobalto.html

I need to look up the article but it goes like this.

A x-ray machine is sold from Houston Tx to Mexico City in the late '80s. The machine is then sold later to a smaller hospital in Jurez Mexico. In the early 90's the thing breaks.
Without the abilty to find a x-ray technitian that can fix the machine, or the money to import one. The x-ray machine is sent to the dump.

A guy shows up in a pickup truck to take it to the dump, but he decides to make some profit on the side and break it up and sell it as scrap.

In the process of breaking up the x-ray machine he busts open some sealed containers that contain small radioactive beads. He spills these all over his truck, and they roll all over the roads where he drives.

This metal was melted down with other scrap material and sold off. How they found it was that a truck loaded down with contaminated rebar drove through the wrong gates.

They traced it back to the scrap factory through radioactive paperwork.

Not all the material was recovered. The majority of the scrap was turned into Rebar and table legs, and sold to the United States. However after an extensive cleanup alot of the material was recovered.

I spoke with friends who have worked in industries with radioactive materials and they knew people who tried this exact thing. Selling items for scrap.
The majority of US scrap dealers scan their materials.
The majority of other dealers do not.
However I believe that the majorty of manufacturers are aware of the damage radioactive materials can do when introduced to their products.
And I think they are aware how much bad press it would bring to their products.
 
Back in the early 90's, when Salmon Bay Steel closed in Seattle, I worked for a security outfit that watched over the place until ownership issues were settled. I should have been studying between my rounds at night, but the place was way too interesting.

One thing I do remember was that in one section, where recycled material was melted down, there were several dozen photos of different metal containers that might contain radioactive materials. The mill workers were supposed to keep an eye open for these things. :eek: On several occasions, these things had almost been melted down at other plants, though at the time [supposedly] none contained radioactive material. That fact that these things could make it into the 'recycle stream' (as the terminology went at the time) was very scary.

thx - cpr
 
Never mess with a very sensitive ionizing radiation detector. If you do, you'll never go outside your lead-lined basement again. I used to use my Seiko diver's watch to source check some of the detectors (RM 3 frisker and the portable equivalent) back when I was in the Navy. My watch dial emitted about twice the ionizing radiation that the dedicated test source produced (200 counts per minute as opposed to the 100 c.p.m. test source). I ran across a Big Ben alarm clock that put out five times as much as my watch during a routine radiation survey.

Cobalt 60 does emit high-energy gamma radiation, which in large quantities is very hazardous. So do a number of other isotopes, including a couple of iron isotopes. The quantity likely to be present in a knife blade is not likely to present as much hazard as a cross-country airline flight. There are naturally occurring radioactive materials everywhere. If you need an instrument that registers in counts per minute to detect it, you have bigger things to worry about.
 
Don't leave out your granite counter tops, granite contains NORM, read naturally occurring radioactive material. Thats right its from the precious mother earth why hell that makes it organic come to think of it, kinda like oil, natural gas and other deadly contaminants.

Home inspectors in certain parts of the country are carrying geiger counters and people are ripping the stuff out because of the perceived danger. I think this is along the same lines, much to do about nothing.
 
Apologies but I forgot to add that, I would only like people who actually know/heard about this to post. And for those who never heard, a simple google search will yield mulitple reports of contaminated steel from all of the countries I listed (There could be more, but I didn't do a thorough research yet).

However if anyone finds out anything more before I do, thank you!

Anyway here goes:
(Edited to add: Holy crap, after reading all of the lack of safety below if feel like throwing up.)

Radioisotope Brief: Cobalt-60 (Co-60)
Half-life: 5.27 years
Mode of decay: Beta particles and gamma radiation
What is it used for?
Co-60 is used medically for radiation therapy as implants and as an external source of radiation exposure. It is used industrially in leveling gauges and to x-ray welding seams and other structural elements to detect flaws. Co-60 also is used for food irradiation, a sterilization process.
What does it look like?
Co-60 is a hard, gray-blue metal. It resembles iron or nickel.
How can it hurt me?
Because it decays by gamma radiation, external exposure to large sources of Co-60 can cause skin burns, acute radiation sickness, or death. Most Co-60 that is ingested is excreted in the feces; however, a small amount is absorbed by the liver, kidneys, and bones. Co-60 absorbed by the liver, kidneys, or bone tissue can cause cancer because of exposure to the gamma radiation.
http://www.bt.cdc.gov/radiation/isotopes/cobalt.asp

Cobalt from radiotherapy machines has been a serious hazard when not disposed of properly, and one of the worst radiation contamination accidents in North America occurred in 1984, after a discarded cobalt-60 containing radiotherapy unit was mistakenly disassembled in a junkyard in Juarez, Mexico.[14]

Cobalt-60 as weapon
Nuclear weapon designs could intentionally incorporate 59Co, some of which would be activated in a nuclear explosion to produce 60Co. The 60Co, dispersed as nuclear fallout, creates what is sometimes called a dirty bomb or cobalt bomb.[16]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt

Safety
After entering a living mammal (such as a human), most of the 60Co gets excreted in feces. A small amount is absorbed by liver, kidneys, and bones, where the prolonged exposure to gamma radiation can cause cancer.
Cobalt is an element of steel-alloys. Uncontrolled disposal of Co60 in scrap is responsible for the radioactivity found in several iron-based products.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt-60

In some cases the products are made up primarily of the tainted materials, and in other cases it's a small component that contaminated the products. Goods that have been found tainted with radioactive materials include:

* A China-made kitchen grater, found in a Flint, Mich., scrap plant, that was laced with the isotope Cobalt-60, giving off the equivalent of a chest X-ray over 36 hours of use.

* A 430,000-pound shipment of metal, tainted with Cobalt-60, that came from Brazil in 1998 and was used to make brackets for 1,000 La-Z-Boy recliners, giving off a chest X-ray's worth of radiation every 1,000 hours.

* About 900 women's handbags made in India and found in the Netherlands that had metal rings laced with Cobalt-60 on each bag's shoulder strap.

* 500 sets of buttons made for Otis elevators in France and Sweden, using radioactive metal from India.

* Shipments of chain link fencing from India in 1991, and another shipment of tainted fencing from India a decade later.

The report also points out that the U.S. does not have enough regulation or oversight of the matter. Some of the findings from investigation:
-- Reports are mounting that manufacturers and dealers from China, India, former Soviet bloc nations and some African countries are exporting contaminated material and goods, taking advantage of the fact that the United States has no regulations specifying what level of radioactive contamination is too much in raw materials and finished goods. Compounding the problem is the inability of U.S. agents to fully screen every one of the 24 million cargo containers arriving in the United States each year.

-- U.S. metal recyclers and scrap yards are not required by any state or federal law to check for radiation in the castoff material they collect or report it when they find some.

-- No federal agency is responsible for determining how much tainted material exists in how many consumer and other goods. No one is in charge of reporting, tracking or analyzing cases once they occur. In fact, the recent discovery of a radioactive cheese grater triggered a bureaucratic game of hot potato, with no agency taking responsibility.

-- It can be far cheaper and easier for a facility stuck with "hot" items to sell them to an unwitting manufacturer or dump them surreptitiously than to pay for proper disposal and cleaning, which can cost a plant as much as $50 million.

-- For facilities in 36 states that want to do the right thing, there is nowhere they can legally dump the contaminated stuff since the shutdown last year of a site in South Carolina, the only U.S. facility available to them for the disposal.

-- A U.S. government program to collect the worst of the castoff radioactive items has a two-year waiting list and a 9,000-item backlog -- and is fielding requests to collect an additional 2,000 newly detected items a year.
And when U.S. customs do find and reject radioactive shipments, no one tracks what happens to that load, so it could end up coming back to the U.S. another day.

In many cases, the contamination comes about through the recycling process, when radioactive metals get blended in with other materials. Some items in factories like industrial smoke detectors and measuring gauges contain small amounts of radioactive materials. If the items and other materials are scrapped (especially in the case of a factory shutting down and being demolished or gutted), that radiation can escape and contaminate recycled products.

Some recent examples of accidental contamination, from the report:
In 2006 in Texas, for example, a recycling facility inadvertently created 500,000 pounds of radioactive steel byproducts after melting metal contaminated with Cesium-137, according to U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission records. In Florida in 2001, another recycler unintentionally did the same, and wound up with 1.4 million pounds of radioactive material.
http://www.greenbiz.com/news/2009/06/08/radioactive-metals-recliners-handbags-recycling


"Nobody's going to know -- nobody -- how much has been melted into consumer goods," said Ray Turner, an international expert on radiation with Fort Mitchell, Ky.-based River Metals Recycling. He has helped decontaminate seven metal-recycling facilities that unwittingly melted scrap containing radioactive isotopes.

"It's your worst nightmare," Turner said.

It is also one that has only barely begun to register as a potential threat to health and safety.

What is known now is that -- despite the shared belief of officials in six state and federal agencies that tainted metal is potentially dangerous, should be prevented from coming in unnecessary contact with people and the environment, and should be barred from entering the United States -- there is no one in charge of making sure that happens.

http://www.scrippsnews.com/node/43577

Wide range of Chinese imports found to contain radioactive metals

http://proliberty.com/observer/20090608.htm

The radioactive recycling also occurs internationally. In 1998, a Brazil recycler shipped 430,000 pounds of Cobalt-60 tainted steel to the U.S. The steel was used in brackets for Reclina-Rocker chairs, but contamination was discovered before the chairs were shipped to stores.
Scripps claims that contaminated metal is also being exported to the U.S. from China, India and even Africa, while the U.S. has no radiation screening process for scrap metal. The same is true of scrap metal recyclers that accept material from consumers and businesses, although many invest in radiation detectors.
Just how much of this radioactive metal has been used in consumer products is unknown. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission has documented 18,740 different cases and estimates there are 20 million pounds of contaminated waste. Texas is the state with the majority of those reported incidents.

http://www.livescience.com/environment/090608-radioactive-metal.html

Other misc links:
http://www.wxyz.com/mostpopular/story/The-Mysterious-Radioactive-Cheese-Grater/rulyl2KAAEyASu9m4SxJFA.cspx

http://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks@minder.net/msg24609.html
 
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Not even close to a General Knife Discussion topic. I'm not sure what the best forum for it might be, but Gadgets & Gear will do.
 
Wow, too much information all at once. Without reading all of the cut-n-paste isn't one assured of absorbing more radiation at the dentist's or ER.

Import products used in food consumption are sampled for lead so maybe radiation is included.
 
Not even close to a General Knife Discussion topic. I'm not sure what the best forum for it might be, but Gadgets & Gear will do.


Hi Esav,

Sorry, the reason I posted in general was to get responses from the knife companies. I wanted to know if they check for this themselves. (Although, after my research so far, that may be highly unlikely.)

People do use knives for food prep.

Here is a possible case scenario:

Knife blade is contaminated with radioactive metals, and is used to cut/prep food. Small metal chips are introduced into the food and ingested. Since people eat on a daily basis, this also repeatedly occurs on a daily basis. Sharpening also produces fine powder that is inhaled...

If the knife companies can chime in, I would greatly appreciate it.
 
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I'm going to hazard a guess here and say that the high grade steels that are used in quality cutlery (note the word quality) do not contain any significant amount of recovered scrap metal. The steel specs are much tighter than for more typical products that were mentioned, like rebar and steel parts for recliners, etc.

Cobalt 60 has a number of industrial uses, and would be pretty bad to have in any quantity.

As for X-ray machines, they use an electron beam striking a target to produce the X-rays, so they would not have a physical quantity of radioactive material (such as Cobalt 60) that could contaminate other things if recycled (other than perhaps some residual activation of the target material).
 
I saw this in the news a few weeks ago, but I can not remember where.

I think it is at this moment not something to be overly alarmed by, but something to keep in the back of one's head for future reference, for example if product testing agencies start to make any noise about the issue.

In my view it's a similar story to the growing instances of contaminated construction materials, for example sheet rock imported from China; in the construction aftermath after Katrina, people are starting to have problems with new construction sheet rock leeching large amounts of formaldehyde and other toxic chemicals.

In that same vein, I would be far more concerned about construction steel than cutlery steel, partly because construction steel is far more likely to be recycled material.

As such though, as a few people have mentioned, there is probably far more ambient radiation (both natural and not) in any given area than any but the most contaminated construction materials would produce.

I'd say it's a delicate line between being aware of potential issues, and vigilant about them, and on the other hand panicking and/or providing an unscrupulous politician with fodder for a poorly advised crusade. As such I'd say the right thing to do would be to keep it on the back burner and provide very delicate pressure to politicians, and by extension product safety agencies. I don't think it is alarmist to be aware of possible contaminated materials, after all there are plenty of verified instances of contamination seeping into ground water, large tracts of land, etc and causing problems.
 
Hi Esav,

Sorry, the reason I posted in general was to get responses from the knife companies. I wanted to know if they check for this themselves. (Although, after my research so far, that may be highly unlikely.)

People do use knives for food prep.

Here is a possible case scenario:

Knife blade is contaminated with radioactive metals, and is used to cut/prep food. Small metal chips are introduced into the food and ingested. Since people eat on a daily basis, this also repeatedly occurs on a daily basis. Sharpening also produces fine powder that is inhaled...

If the knife companies can chime in, I would greatly appreciate it.

What level of contamination is there in the knifeblade? Does the radioisotope in question comprise one percent of the total material, or one part per million or one part per billion, or even less? If the contamination level is one part per billion, how much activity will there be in one of your theoretical chips? Answer: less than a detectable amount. Trust me, you are exposed to more radioactive material every time the wind blows hard enough to disturb the soil.

Most cutlery steels, at least the steels in use in this country, are very pure. Most of them use little to no cobalt, radioactive or otherwise. I don't know about other knife companies, but I know that Spyderco does analyze blade steel to ensure that it is indeed the alloy it is supposed to be. That's why we have 8Cr13MoV instead of the 440C it was originally called, because Sal analyzed the steel and found the alloy didn't match. If you are that frightened of radioactivity, stick to alloys with no cobalt. No cobalt, no cobalt 60.
 
What level of contamination is there in the knifeblade? Does the radioisotope in question comprise one percent of the total material, or one part per million or one part per billion, or even less? If the contamination level is one part per billion, how much activity will there be in one of your theoretical chips? Answer: less than a detectable amount. Trust me, you are exposed to more radioactive material every time the wind blows hard enough to disturb the soil.

Most cutlery steels, at least the steels in use in this country, are very pure. Most of them use little to no cobalt, radioactive or otherwise. I don't know about other knife companies, but I know that Spyderco does analyze blade steel to ensure that it is indeed the alloy it is supposed to be. That's why we have 8Cr13MoV instead of the 440C it was originally called, because Sal analyzed the steel and found the alloy didn't match. If you are that frightened of radioactivity, stick to alloys with no cobalt. No cobalt, no cobalt 60.

Ah yes to clarify, I meant to aim at a "worst" case scenario (ie. blatant haphazard disregard of safety protocols leading to massive radioactive metal contamination all to save a buck...knife is stamped 440c but is actually imported foreign steel that is only given a paper/word of mouth assurance by the foreign steel company that the steel is 440c but is actually recycled steel that has been radioactively contaminated (enough to cause harm), which is subesquently not even chemically verified by the knife company) not the "typical" event of which I agree with you is more likely to occur. And though typical events/incidents may be more likely to occur, however the lack of oversight and manpower to better detect/catch such contamination makes me a bit worried. It just takes that one nightmare event to occur to become a major tragedy, even if it is less likely and it happens to only one person (ie. your son, daughter, wife, mother, family).

Also it seems avoiding steels alloys with cobalt is not addressing the fact that the other items were contaminated with cobalt-60 even though the products that were made from the contaminated steel didn't call for cobalt as an alloying material at all. I'm fairly certain a cheese grater, pots, hand bag rings, and chairs do not need a superalloying material such as cobalt. In addition, the articles all state that the cobalt-60 was accidently alloyed in.

Finally at the risk of sounding like a scaremonger:
As previously stated, recycled steel products are probably what to really look out for (as it is the most likely source of contamination), but what about the steel used in cutlery made in India, or China and other foreign countries. There have been cases of radiactive metal contamination there. What guarantee do we have that a "pure" steel they use isn't really just some cheap haphazardly recycled steel with radioactive metal contaminated by people on a budget and deadlines to meet? I bring this to question because obviously there are many knives that are made overseas for ecomonical reasons. And if the answer to this is "buy domestic/American" then I point you to those above articles stating that accidents have occurred domestically as well, and will likely occur again since it seems there is hardly any oversight here.
 
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