Consensus on how thin behind edge and degrees per side for "woods knife."

Thin Wins....Haha..thick edges/blades are for Chumps.
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I still agree with This......but
I kinda have a Big mouth, with strong opinions, and I put my foot in it occasionally.... I'll admit That... 😂😂😂

 
Knife design is like those guys that do the sound track for movies, lots of sliders that can be pushed around, some that work together, some that cancel each other, the final arrangement varying depending on what the designer believes is most important. You do more hunting, you are gonna want to tweak that edge thickness control down to reduce resistance in meat, do more wood work and you will want to tweak the edge angle down towards 20deg and so on :D
 
I like my knives around 0.013-0.015 behind a small 15 dps micro bevel for woods use. I find when I get around 0.010 bte I am more likely to ripple an edge with my use.
At least on 8670, I found .015 behind the edge with a 25 DPS microbevel to be ideal for a general purpose knife. Very tough, but still a keen edge.
 
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Nice looking blade.

Woods blades can definitely be made too thin. If your primary use is cutting meat, hide, and food, a very thin edge with an obtuse 30+total angle edge will work fine. If you cut and carve wood, a lower edge angle with a taller bevel with the attendant thicker edge will often work better.

I have had some chopping blades with what was probably a high 30 to low 40 degree total included edge, and they were far too ready to glance off wood when I was trying to do controlled crafting work.

The majority of what I have made would be classed as woods-knives, mostly in the 3.5 - 5" range. When I started I didn't have a grinder and pre-HT edge thickness (home heat treated carbon tool steel) tended to be 0.75mm. Sharpening/grinding on a 220grit water stone by hand created a convex bevel that had a total included angle in the mid-20 degrees, but was quite tall before transitioning to the primary grind. This grind actually worked rather well in the woods and for related tasks. It wasn't used much for game prep, but did a lot of wood work and a reasonable amount of food prep.

Measuring such a knife I have here shows a 2mm (0.079") tall bevel going to 0.67mm (0.0264") at the transition. This is a mild convex, so a little more at the edge than the 20deg total included you would get with a flat bevel. It carves/feathers wood great.

Following much reading on this forum, particularly the posts that Stacey has made about edge thickness, I made an AEBL blade with 0.45mm (0.0177") at 2mm tall. This is sharpened at my customary angle with a convex edge. Cuts meat very well, great in the kitchen, sharp as hell....but rather disappointing for a woods knife. It really doesn't run long shavings well at all. A tall bevel contributes to control when trying to run a long shaving, as in making feather sticks, or trying to craft something, be it a spoon or a canoe paddle. This otherwise beautiful AEBL blade just lacks stability in a long cut.

On a wood chopping blade, you don't want the blade to over penetrate and bind in a cut, so again, a bit of thickness not too far back from the edge can be helpful. I would probably keep the same angle, but make the bevel a little taller before starting the primary grind. This isn't so much about steel strength, but about blade height and length increasing instability and trying to offset this with a taller bevel.

All the best

Chris
Thanks for the compliment, but there's definitely room for improvement. For example, I put the lanyard hole too close to the edge of the handle! I consider every knife to be a learning experience at this point (intermediate skill level), so no big deal. I actually ended up making the knife thicker behind the edge while maintaining close to the same angle. I convexed the edge using a mousepad and a series of sandpaper grits up to 3000, then stropped with 3 micron diamond paste. This will be a "camp knife." I think I might change the shape a little on the next one, maybe something a little closer to the new Joker Nomad 6.5. This is a great review of the knife:
 
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I always like to edge on thinner and then adjust according to needs. Easy to add more stability to a thin edge with more of a secondary bevel. I tell this to my clients as well.

Lesson learned, but I also believe it's important (for me) to see and experience this first hand.

I learn by Doing.
 
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