Consumption of Belt Sanders

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Last night my wife came back from Billings with the Belt Sander from Lowes Home Improvement store. I dutifully unloaded the truck of all the soap products and paper plates and debris until the only box left was my belt sander.

A 4X36 with 6" sanding wheel and a variable speed 4.5 amp motor. On the net Lowe's own polls showed the product had mediocre reviews. When I talked to the sales staff over the phone it seemed pretty much a copy of the Delta, but with a bigger motor and the Variable speed, who could go wrong?

The first thing I noticed, the very first thing, was the brightly colored red and yellow knobs on the machine. I was very surprised and amused. It was the kind of joke I appreciate.
I called my wife. "Come here," I said, "I want to show you something."
"What?"
"Just follow me." You see that? I pointed out the knobs on a music learn and go machine on the floor.
"Yes.
"And that?" I pointed to the controls on a firetruck.
"Yes. What is this about?"
"I'll show you, just wait. You see that down there?"
"Yes, I see it. So what? It's a little toy stove."
"Uh huh. Now, look at this belt grinder; what do you see? "
"Oh my gosh," she said, "It has the same control knobs as the oven."

Yeppers, my 3/4 horse power serious sander had the same control bank as infants toys. "No wonder they aren't selling many of these." I tell her. "Men want serious stuff. The Delta looks like a tool. It's going to be hard to keep the two year old away from the Tradesman."

Sunday I assemble it. Wasn't much to it. With the Delta you put the components on the common frame. ON the Tradesman all you had to do was add the shelf and the dust outlets. I admired the bright red flower knob of the miter.
I turned it on and it hesitated for a second or two and then ran. I turned it off. I repeated this a couple times, then adjusted the belt. As I did this I noticed the belt was a tad wobbly. Was it the belt or rollers/caster being slightly less than concentric or aligned? There was a high pitched note. I slowed the speed to minium and the note got loud. A continious Cricket. I shut her down and looked for a source of sound. I could find none. When I went to turn it on again it rolled briefly, and stopped. I couldn't believe it. It never ran again.
We're on the honor system you know. If I put a review into Lowe's in- house poll on the internet now I'd seriously skew the product line downwards.

Quality of operation? None. The worst.
Ease of operation? Time consuming to move by hand.
Power level? The weakest in the field, really, no better than by hand.
Would you reccomend this to a friend? Yes, The kind I no longer speak to.


There was a desperate plea on the box, both in Spanish and English: Don't return to store! Call us at --- - ---

I called the store.
"The overload switch; did you try the overload switch?"
"No; where is it?"
"On the front somewhere...'

I looked. No switch. I tried to take the panel off. I was wondering if the drive belt was off or jammed or something. My Delta worked immediately and didn't hesitate either. The screws resisted serious effort at removal. If I took the plate off, they'd get buggered, and they'd know I was in there, poking around.

There was nothing in the directions about any of this. A little section in maintenance- you know-those things you do to a machine after you've run it for a hundred hours? Showed a belt adjustment.

Screw it. A neighbor is going back to Billings on Thursday. I called her and she said she'd do it. Wait until she tries and lift it...and her old man has ruptured disks. Sure. Wipe them all out. Leave the the couple in the parkinglot writhing in pain, and the worst is she dropped the box and smashed it; the warrenty is void. Well, that didn't happen. Ask the Clerk to bring it in. They can take their own dead and bury them.

Would I recomend a Tradesman to anyone? Well, our job is to consume. I remind you this baby has more power than the competition. With those fixtures, it'll undergo a redesign sometime next year and all of you should be able to pick the old model up cheap on close-out. American Men will not buy Real Tools with baby handles. As for the rest; we'll put a little more heat into the atmosphere, a little more global warming, and I'll get a replacement unit.
Just make another, throw that onto the backs of Coolie labor.

I'll finish this in a second. I gotta cut some pizza.
Ok, I'm back. What do I think?
I don't know my friends. The only thing that lasts I own are a few reputable brands of firearms and my Himalayan Imports Khukuris. Everything else is subject to wearing out shortly after the warrenty expires, is disposable, or requires two or three tries before achieving a functional rendition.
There was a chance the 1 800 staff could talk me through a restart of the product. Well send a new motor, new chassis, replace the knobs, only in God's name don't return it to the store!" I could end up with a box full of spare parts, keep this sucker going until I was a grandfather, pass it down to future heirs... I once ended up owning four or five extra humidifyer tanks like that.

I don't really want to fix it. The engine was hot from this brief encounter. I ran downstairs and turned the Delta on just to be reassured something worked in my house. After three minutes of mindlessly sanding a stick, the motor wasn't even warm.
No, I'll do the American birth rite and get a new one.

What a world. No wonder Conan's father told him to trust nothing but steel.


munk
 
The pizza was terrible. My wife cooked it on a cookie sheet instead of just the oven rack. Mush in the middle and crisp on the crust.

Don't be annoyed on my behalf by this story. This is so I don't scream, so I laugh. Rusty used to say I reminded him of 'everyman'.

I meant it when I said the only things I trust are certain tools and my Himalayan Imports Khuks. And when one of them goes wrong on the rare occasion, the customer service is second to none.

Most stuff is produced expecting a sizable percentage of failure- it's built in. Our khuks are built as if you only got one shot at it and here it is.
What a difference.

munk
 
OK. That seems quite healthy.

BTW, let me suggest a pizza stone that just stays in the oven. But you'll also need a peel to get your pizzas (or other breads) in and out. Also, don't tell anyone, but I like to slip in semolina flour into my pizza crust. Perhaps 20-25% by weight.
 
FallingKnife said:
OK. That seems quite healthy.

BTW, let me suggest a pizza stone that just stays in the oven. But you'll also need a peel to get your pizzas (or other breads) in and out. Also, don't tell anyone, but I like to slip in semolina flour into my pizza crust. Perhaps 20-25% by weight.

I like to add a little buckwheat flour to mine, and slice up some shiitakes on it.

That's funny about the knobs.
 
I'm getting the feeling great foods of the world are being consumed in homes other than my own.



munk
 
..the can't believe it's not take out kind.

Every time I turn around you're grinding something in stone, raising it from the seed, milking it from the teat, incubating it over night. You got oxen outside in yoke turning a large wheel too?

I ever beg handouts in West Virginia, I'm going to Hollow's home.



munk
 
When the world collapses, *I* am going to Hollows place.

And I know how to fix grinders and stuff...

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BTW...we are very fortunate to have munk writing these stories for us. Sometimes I feel as if I am one of the guys at the local pub where Hemingway used to tell stories testing before he wrote them down...

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munk said:
..the can't believe it's not take out kind.

Every time I turn around you're grinding something in stone, raising it from the seed, milking it from the teat, incubating it over night. You got oxen outside in yoke turning a large wheel too?

I ever beg handouts in West Virginia, I'm going to Hollow's home.

munk

You're cracking me up. I live the total yuppie lifestyle compared to the back to the land hipsters I know. But I try. ;)

If you are EVER in WV (again) you HAVE to come here. Not only will we go for a hike, shoot guns, and eat food, but I'll take you on a tour of Nitro. :D

Oh yea burn CD's and go to Mountain Stage too if they are having one :)
 
You're too kind, Hollow. I've still got to get off my butt someday and do a taping of the old folk records I have for you.

>>>>>>>

I boxed up the sander. This morning, after much trepidation, I called the factory to see what was what. The tech said he'd never heard of one doing what I said- he thought it was a bad circuit board.

He says they should run forever. So, I'll get a replacement from the store and see. Neighbor goes to Billings on Thurs and can take it back.



munk
 
Good post Munk!

My Craftsman 4X36 runs fine, but it also doesn't have variable speed, which is a really nice feature. That probably makes a simple motor more complicated. Mine just goes like hell until it's shut off. It would be great to be able to slow it down sometimes. It is also pretty heavy and no fun to move around.

It has a big red on / off switch, but that's about it for color. The rest is pretty much "real tool man" basic black. (-:

Regards,

Norm
 
Sears had a sale on theirs while I was researching the sanders; only 88 bucks.

Wasn't it the Sears though that someone said if you turned it on its side (for whatever reason) it would shut down?
edit; when I talked to the Tech, he said they used to build some of the Craftsman tools. Rexon.
I see the Sears sander is on sale now for 89.90

munk
 
I'm still using the Rockwell that I bought in 1971. It's been worked on some.
Like a guy once told me:
"This here axe has been in my family for 4 or 5 generations. 'Course it's had a few new handles and a couple new heads put on it."
 
You know, I researched belt sanders for a week before I made my decision. I asked everyone I could. There were some threads here about belts sanders. Dan Koster and Nasty and others weighed in. The strangest thing that happened was about a week and a half ago I posted a thread on the Knife Maker's forum asking about 4" belts and 4" belt sanders. I admit my thread probably sounded pretty newbie and lame-mo to the skilled people there. But do you know I did not recieve a single answer in that thread? Not one. Not even a token hello or advice to use the search function. I did use the search and found only a couple general references to the 4" belt sanders. I think maybe because it's not exactly a free moving belt, but moves on a chassis, it has less utility, plus of course a four inch is problematic in with the contour of a blade the 4 inch could take off metal unevenly. But I thought the whole thing was strange. Contrast that to newbies here- no matter how basic the question, there are always answers, always welcomes. I had to wonder if I'd somehow offended any of the knife making Clan before, but I couldn't think of anything. I certainly didn't expect any special treatment because I was a mod or anthing- or had these stupid South American General buttons and ribbons after my name. But not one response. MY thread sank faster than a dead man with concrete overshoes in Lake Michigan.


munk
 
Maybe because a 4" belt isn't a standard knifemakers grinder. I used a 6 X 48" belt sander to grind blades for years, and still do from time to time. It just ain't what the "pros" use. I suspect there might be a bit of snobbishness involved, too. Especially now that we have "art knives." I figure if somebody has to tell me that his work is "art," it most likely...isn't. :p
But, I think your point is that this place is special, and generous and, well a... cantina :D How many recipes for BBQ sauce are there on the knifemaker's forum? ;)
 
I noticed the moderator was not posting during the time my thread was up so he may not have even seen it, or else may have shown some consideration.
But I was thinking; you guys want to sell knives, right? Most of them had less time in BF than myself and less posts, but were ignoring a potential customer. I made a note of some of the names of blades I will never consider buying. This doesn't mean snobs can't do great work, it just means I don't have to buy from them.


munk
 
That's how I feel when I write a reply I think sounds really good and then keep checking for feedback...it makes me wonder what I've done to get on peoples' ignore lists. (No, this isn't a desperate plea for chicklets--I'm just empathising with munk)
 
I tend to give rep on general principle- hey, so and so's been around for awhile and is a good guy, why don't I give him some green? As I'm going to do for you now, Bismark.

There's what? A hundred thousand people in the US who call themselves knife makers? Well, some of them had a chance to stand out from the crowd and did not. Most of them would be lucky to sell a knife. Knife makers are not rich. Wouldn't I be more inclined, and rightly so, to buy a product from someone who was friendly? There's nothing wrong with my making that value judgement, is there?


munk
 
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