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Convince me buying a 110/112 :)
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Makael
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Sign up at bucks website for future customs.Great looking knives guys
Where did you get those?
Making a custom on Buck site?
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Buck 110 aluminum with S30V.
https://www.buckknives.com/custom-knife/customizable-110-folding-hunter-knife/CKS110/
https://www.buckknives.com/custom-knife/customizable-110-folding-hunter-knife/CKS110/
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The 110 is one of those knives, you know what it is and you either want it or you don't.
The fact that you're interested tells us that you want one and you just have to get one.
Once you get used to two hand opening and carrying a knife in a sheath you'll probably love it.
It comes with a nice piece of leather to carry it in for a reason, it may seem heavy for a folder but in my experience is fine for a sheath knife on your hip.
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Hello guys,
I'm on the fence wether i should buy one of those models or not ,so, because you are unbiased, i decided to ask for your help
I remember being a kid and playing with some sort of 110 knockoff but never seen an original.
You see, i live in Portugal so Buck knives, or any quality knives as a matter of fact, aren't readily available for me to try.
I've had two Bucks of the vantage series and even though i liked them the linerlock seemed a bit suspicious due to the fact it locked very late.
I apologize for saying it but it made me question Buck's QC.
Anyway, lately i'be been eyeing the 110.
I know all the story behind it but i've been spoiled by lightweight, super-steel, one-hand opening knives and that's what is making me hesitate.
Also, i edc smaller blades, 3" blade ones to be more accurate, so i don't know if the 112 wouldn't be better.
But the 110 is the original....
Aaaaarrrrgh...
Can you help?
It's just my opinion but I'm going to state a few things first.Get a look at several 110's and 112's in person first...the blade craftsmanship and Edge 2X by Buck varies too much these days.You should expect Buck to give you the best results for an edge angle they gladly market on USA made.Between these two though the 112 Ranger I believe will be more comfortable as a belt carry knife.
I personally recommend looking into a American made original Schrade/Old Timer 7OT or the Uncle Henry LB7 over the Buck 110.Their sharpness is very decent but not as good as Buck's..fixable through a little re-profiling.But they are thicker at the tip versus a Buck's clip-point.Secondly Schrade's fit and finish seemed to be better in comparison.A few companies on the USA may have copied the 110 model but they also progressed the design.Google the Kershaw 1050 if you get a chance and if you ever handle one...get a look at the lockback spring post...never seen one that heavy gauge before.
Nah...the Edge 2000/Edge 2X and marketing their heat treatment is what kept them from collapsing...clever marketing.
Most blade steel options?...I was thinking Spyderco on that one.
Also Schrade USA sold far more knives than Buck through a much vaster amount of dealers from mom and pop businesses to large retail chains and lower cost differential than Buck.Feed and Seed Stores,Hardware Stores,Sporting Goods stores,Contracts with Sears & Roebuck and Wal-Mart,Mechanic shops and even roadside diners.I can assure you if you walked into a sporting goods store between the years 1970-2000 you'd probably see 4-6 models by Buck...about 18-20 by Schrade USA.Even with Schrade out of Buck's way (as an American competitor) they never acquired that kind of buying dedication from varying businesses sizes...except for dedicated cutlery stores.The e-commerce/warehouse operated Ebay and Amazon sellers have made Buck Knives more successful if anything.
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Your posts just talk how awesome Schrade is and better than Buck. Go buy a Schrade and head to those forums. They are long gone now. BUCK is here.
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No, Schrade Cutlery closed their factory in Ellenville,NY and Taylor Cutlery bought the rights to the name and designs to make it an imported brand.Selling out would be Schrade Cutlery themselves moving all their production to China.
Buck I believe started manufacturing out of Taiwan in the early to mid 2000's then they brought their equipment back into the USA to 'expand'...I guess the whole reason for the Idaho factory.Now in 2006 they did hire Sanrenmu/China to start making their Bantam models until 2009 then fully went to USA production for that model.But they've been using China since the 1990's as a source for fiberglass reinforced nylon scale material rather than actually buying Zytel from DuPont like Schrade did.Buck still uses Sanrenmu to keep the Select Level knives nicer at the price tag that Buck cuts more corners on with USA made at Select Level.
My 2 cents...
The 112 is the prettiest production knife made. The lines are perfect.
Both knives are too heavy AND TOO THICK for comfortable front pocket carry. Both require either belt or rear pocket carry.
IMO, once you move to belt or rear pocket carry, the 112 doesn’t make functional sense, unless you live in a location that limits blade length to 3 inches (the reason the 112 was introduced in the first place). I find the extra blade length of the 110 to be a bonus in almost every use. The one exception I can think of is for deer hunters who prefer s shorter blade.
If you want front pocket carry, I recommend the Buck 500 Duke.
Be aware that the curved bolstered 112 is effectively shorter in grip. The similarly sized 500 fits my big hands much better.
The aluminum framed Copper and Clad 110s dramatically reduce the weight. I find the balance to be much better. That 110 is in my regular rear pocket rotation.
The 112 is the prettiest production knife made. The lines are perfect.
Both knives are too heavy AND TOO THICK for comfortable front pocket carry. Both require either belt or rear pocket carry.
IMO, once you move to belt or rear pocket carry, the 112 doesn’t make functional sense, unless you live in a location that limits blade length to 3 inches (the reason the 112 was introduced in the first place). I find the extra blade length of the 110 to be a bonus in almost every use. The one exception I can think of is for deer hunters who prefer s shorter blade.
If you want front pocket carry, I recommend the Buck 500 Duke.
Be aware that the curved bolstered 112 is effectively shorter in grip. The similarly sized 500 fits my big hands much better.
The aluminum framed Copper and Clad 110s dramatically reduce the weight. I find the balance to be much better. That 110 is in my regular rear pocket rotation.
Although I prefer the Al 110 for an all around knife, I often back pocket carry my 112's. I often find that the longer blade length works against the 110 in many of the tasks I do, since I most frequently use the portion of the blade closest to the handle. I think it really depends on your daily usage. I also really like the 112's finger choil for easy, palpable indexing when I'm not looking at the knife.
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Schrade made a good knife, but not so much in their final years.
The problem is that they let themselves become dependant on their deal with Walmart and had to start letting more lemons out of the factory because they couldn't afford the waste if they were going to keep the 14$ price point Walmart demanded.
Btw I've heard multiple accounts of people having schrade Lb7's that they couldn't get to take an edge which I've never heard anyone say about a Buck 110 unless they just weren't good at sharpening 440c which definitely can take an edge.
It might be nice if Buck wouldn't import frn, but thats really not that big of a deal.
Btw you mention how Buck imported some knives as if schrade never did, but you forget that schrade owned imperial and moved production of imperial knives to Ireland shortly after acquiring them.
It may you aren't old enough.
The 440C 110s (and other knives) were harder for many people to sharpen when all they had were older soft stones. This was particularly true for the 440C Bucks with the semi-hollow grind, which was essentially a thicker convex behind the edge.
Schrade (USA) used 440A until what? 1986 maybe, when they moved to 420HC.
While 440A doesn't have the carbides that 440C does, it has more than 420HC - one of the reasons that 420HC can be fine blanked and 440A (or C) can't.
In practice, I can tell a difference when sharpening. My 400A blades take a tick more thought compared to 420HC. And my 440C blades are up again. These differences are less noticeable with modern stones, but still noticeable.
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My point is that I've heard reports from more than a few knife nuts who had schrade Lb7's which they couldn't get to take an edge, leading me to believe they may have had an issue with HT at some point.
Yes I'm very familiar with the cheaper quality that became of Imperial as they reverted lower fit and finish brand through Ireland.But even when they were made in the USA (except for the Frontier Series years) Imperial always had fit/finish cuts just like Colonial.
Actually I think the issue regarding the LB7 pertains more to hollow ground blades in stainless steel by Schrade in general.If you compare an LB7 to a Buck 110 (made before 1999) you'll notice the edge on the LB7 is thicker but has a thinner bevel.Definitely a re-profiling job to get it as sharp as the 110 and improve edge taking results on a sharpening stone.But you look at those old Bucks made before 1999?...no better of a bevel than a Schrade+ blade.That old bevel work did well though on Schrade's flat ground blades in both 1095 Carbon Steel and the 440A Stainless (Plus Steel).Those 'knife nuts' clearly never took a look at the grinds and edge angles on those blades and that kind of propaganda falsely negates blade steel performance and serviceability.