Convince me, I'm on the fence on this one.

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If one has four old school Satin Jacks (thick CG, 3/16" CG,
ZT, LE) with the 3/16" CG being the designated user, is there any point in getting a Boss Jack? That is, are there any differences in size, configuration, etc, that would make the Boss Jack a better user? (If I get one, it will positively be the thinner LE.)
 
I am not sure myself. While I love the look and feel of the Jack series, the BJ is only .25" longer than the BATAC. It is an entirely different knife, but I'm not sure I need another knife in this range. I do want one, but will continue to wait for the MUK since it would be more useful to me.
BTW, I would do the LE as well.
 
The price on these are insane, how can you not get one? These are as close to the SHSJ as you can get without paying over $1000. You even get to choose your own handles and if you want a choil or not plus it's a limited edition. I'm not sure what there is to think about. Jerry is just giving these away at those price.
I mean if you are going to use them, sell a SHSJ and get two of these so you can have one for the other hand :D
 
I think chances are, if you have 4 old Busse knives called "jacks" of different specifications...you'd be hard pressed to find a task or use that a "B.O.S.S." Jack could do, that the previous couldn't. :D Just saying....

Now, that doesn't mean you shouldn't get one though.
 
Do it. If you don't like it or can't find a use for it you could always sell it later. Won't know unless you try :thumbup:
 
The Boss Jack has a slightly different design... less handle and more blade than the Satin Jack. This design tweak not only gives you a longer cutting edge, but delivers it at a lighter weight.

My SJ used to be my favorite Busse, but the Boss Jack is in that slot now.
 
Liu Kang said:
The price on these are insane, how can you not get one? These are as close to the SHSJ as you can get without paying over $1000. You even get to choose your own handles and if you want a choil or not plus it's a limited edition. I'm not sure what there is to think about. Jerry is just giving these away at those price.
I mean if you are going to use them, sell a SHSJ and get two of these so you can have one for the other hand :D
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I'm sure Mike bought his user SJ for less than what these are going for so price probably is not a factor here. :thumbup: However, on the flip side you have a point. Although Mike probably didn't pay much for them originally their current value would make this a factor for me.

VoxHog said:
The Boss Jack has a slightly different design... less handle and more blade than the Satin Jack. This design tweak not only gives you a longer cutting edge, but delivers it at a lighter weight.

My SJ used to be my favorite Busse, but the Boss Jack is in that slot now.
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Bill, you said exactly what I was thinking.:cool::thumbup:

Mike, I have a thick .22" SJLE, a .19", and .17 SJ all satin/saber. I was actually planning on using the .17 but now the BOSS Jack LE will be the one. Another consideration which may or may not be a plus for you is that the handle is slightly shorter and the rope cut pattern on the BJ has swells which feel better in the hand. Plus, if I remember correctly there is actually more cutting edge on the choil version than on a SJ. Very subtle differences but definitely an improvement IMO. And my preference is also the LE after having had all of the BOSS Jack protos and having sold them all in the hopes of a thinner version. :cool:
 
I have carried and used a cgsj, sjle, sjtac, sjtacle - and I've come to use the choiless boss jack (proto) because it stands out as being better than the rest. the choil isn't as much of a sticking point with others, but these are my reasons:

1: no choil - this may not seem like a big deal, but I see absolutely no reason to ever lose edge and create a catch point on a blade, I've never felt like I had 'more control' choking up and I am perfectly comfortable grabbing the back of the blade and choking up with it as is.
2: balance - The choiless version in .220 (proto) has a heavier blade balance than the previous versions, it's comparable to the .250 sjle version but it *seems* more blade heavy because theres more edge in front of your hand, even if it's technically not.
3: handle - This not an identical handle to the original sj's. The boss jack did the same thing as the boss street, it adressed the core problem with the original third gen handles - the index finger height. On the original 3rd gens the difference between the index finger and the rest of the handle was too drastic, it felt like there wasn't enough meat there, it made it feel like it was a little loose in the hand. This isn't so with the boss jack. You can also get the scales in g10 which I consider a big preference because you can get a grittier finish and it doesn't soak up moisture. I prefer the boss jack's handle to the TAC handles because of issues I've had with the TAC handles. they are mostly a 4 grip handle, in that it's not that comfortable to hold in a back shifted grip since the pommel is a round/spike. The palm and finger swells are also very round and can bite into your hand when you grip hard. Not so with the boss jack handles, which allow a reasonable forward and reverse grip, as well as forward and backward shifted.

Price isn't really an issue here since you already have sj's that you could use. The above reasons make the boss jack a better knife regardless of the price. I consider the boss jack to be one of the flagship 'best of' models that busse combat has ever produced. If I had to pare back to one knife and one knife only from busse, it would be the choiless boss jack I have, because it can do anything, and I can always get cheap slicers or heavy choppers.

I know it seems like it, but the boss jack is not the same knife as the 3rd gen sj's.

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I need this knife like i need a swift kick in the butt, so i'm bending over now, i just ordered my BJLE with black paper, what can i say!
 
I too am on the fence about this one, but am having a really hard time with the idea of passing on a pumpkin G10 CG for only $302!!!
If I bought this it would replace my Ratmandu, so my major question is how wide are the handles of the BJ? I have kinda large hands and as much as I like my RMD but it feels just a little loose in my hands, is the BJ handle thicker?
If anyone could provide a handle width and height measurement I would really appreciate it!

Alex
 
Moses_3 said:
I too am on the fence about this one, but am having a really hard time with the idea of passing on a pumpkin G10 CG for only $302!!!
If I bought this it would replace my Ratmandu, so my major question is how wide are the handles of the BJ? I have kinda large hands and as much as I like my RMD but it feels just a little loose in my hands, is the BJ handle thicker?
If anyone could provide a handle width and height measurement I would really appreciate it!

Alex
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I think I can safely say that the boss jack handles are notably smaller than the ratmandu's. It's much straighter and I believe the RMD is taller in every position. [edit: now that I'm looking for a compairison shot, I'm thinking the boss jack is more like if you took the rmd handle and cut off the back palm swell]

In height:
at index finger - 7/8
at middle finger - 1 1/16
at pinky finger - 1

In thickness:
at center of handle (thickest part) - 11/16
 
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This is an image from resinguy - if you look at the far right you'll see a ratmandu handle next to a 3rd gen handle. The boss jacks index finger position is a little taller, but everything is about the same as the older 3rd gen's. If you feel like the RMD's handles are just to small for your hand, the boss jack's will be as well. That said, it is a different type of handle and you may feel like you have more control of it. I feel like I have more precise control over the position of the boss jack vs. sjtac, but I feel a lot more torque control over the sjtac than the boss jack (like on hard plastics where the knife wants to twist out of your hand).

[Edit: there is no ratmandu in this image, I named it incorrectly. The knife is a HRLM, however the HRLM and RMD have identical handles]

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Last Visible Canary said:
This is an image from resinguy - if you look at the far right you'll see a ratmandu handle next to a 3rd gen handle. The boss jacks index finger position is a little taller, but everything is about the same as the older 3rd gen's. If you feel like the RMD's handles are just to small for your hand, the boss jack's will be as well. That said, it is a different type of handle and you may feel like you have more control of it. I feel like I have more precise control over the position of the boss jack vs. sjtac, but I feel a lot more torque control over the sjtac than the boss jack (like on hard plastics where the knife wants to twist out of your hand).

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Am I the only one that doesn't see an RMD anywhere in the photo?
 
adrock1978 said:
Am I the only one that doesn't see an RMD anywhere in the photo?
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The rmd's handle is nearly shared between the model below the badger attack. If it's different, the rmd is simply a little bigger which would make the difference more drastic. The 3rd gen handles were same on all models that had them, the only difference was the pommel treatment.
 
This is a compelling image on why the new handles are better than the old -

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In it you can see the difference in the height of the handle at the index finger position. On the old 3rd gens it was very small, making it feel like the handle wanted to slip backwards in your hand. On the newer boss series it is evened out creating a much more contolled and stable feeling handle.
 
Heres an actual ratmandu next to a boss handle - the boss street and boss jack share handles, the only difference is how the pommel is treated (it is longer on the boss jack). The scales are interchangable as far as I can tell from the boss jack and boss street I'm holding in my hands right now.

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Iboschi said:
I don't see one either. I do see a howling rat though.
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I named it incorrectly, the HRLM has an identical handle to the RMD:

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This is also true with the other handle series: the 3rd gen badger atack and satin jack shared handles (different pommel treatment), and the boss street and boss jack share handles (different pommel treatment). While they may have different scale thicknesses and patterns if you are gauging whether one will be too small for your hand, one knife (hrlm) is a direct analogue for the other (rmd).
 
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