Cool facts about traditional knives

I guess that the 'jack knife' got it's name by being good for most things, and not for any one thing specifically. Just like the medium sized hand plane, the 'jack plane' is good for most planing tasks. And jack of all trades.....:)

Guitarist, please indulge me, you were asking for real info, and what I have to say is conjecture.
The term jack knife has been in use for so long I imagine its origin is uncertain. Anyone?

Michael

just google "Who invented the jacknife"

Jacque de Liege in 1711 made the first back spring folding knife. Folding knives have been around for centuries, Jacque added the backspring to keep tension on the blade so it would stay in the handle when not in use. So it was called a "Jack" after Jacque. That is why all Traditional folding backspring pocketknives, no matter what pattern are called a "jacknife"


Dave
 
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Actually, the "Congress" knife got its name from the British makers because they thought Congressmen sat around the chamber whittlin' the arms of their chairs, while waiting for some over inflated windbag finished his speach, and it was their turn to give a million word speach that said nothing.

Mmmh some things never change:D I don't think the English cutlers were far wrong and they had experience of their own House of Commons (windbags) and House of Lords (mummified fossils:D)
 
Anyone got any cool or interesting facts about certain patterns of knives? How it got its name, how it became popular, why they had this number of blades vs. that number?

I'll start off. I recently learned that at the time of his death, President Abraham Lincoln had a 6 bladed knife in his pocket, that was later displayed in the library of congress hence why the pattern is now called the congress.

Actually, the "Congress" knife got its name from the British makers because they thought Congressmen sat around the chamber whittlin' the arms of their chairs, while waiting for some over inflated windbag finished his speach, and it was their turn to give a million word speach that said nothing.

According to Levine's Guide p242... "Knife fanciers have long speculated on the origins of the names of 'senator' and 'congress' for the shapes they refer to, but no solid evidence has yet surfaced"

Possibly fictional rather than factual. Until substantiated, they are only stories. Not fact. Not history.

Probably best to just recommend reading Levine's Guide for "cool facts". This topic could lead new collectors astray if misinformation is reported as fact. Cool facts could also be substantiated with primary sources like old catalogs, old trade journals, etc.
 
just google "Who invented the jacknife"

Jacque de Liege in 1711 made the first back spring folding knife. Folding knives have been around for centuries, Jacque added the backspring to keep tension on the blade so it would stay in the handle when not in use. So it was called a "Jack" after Jacque. That is why all Traditional folding backspring pocketknives, no matter what pattern are called a "jacknife"


Dave

That may just be folklore rather than fact. From Levine's Guide p173... "The origin of the term 'jack knife' has been lost in time... it may come from 'jack' the sailor, 'jack' the common workman, 'jack' meaning roughly made, 'jack' meaning smaller or even from 'jack' meaning jacket. In Scotland, a large clasp knife was long called a 'jacktoleg,' but no one knows where that term came from either. Folk-lore has it that this was a corruption of 'Jacques de Liege,' supposedly a Flemish cutler named Jacques in or from Liege. I suspect that this explanation has no more substance than do the modern legends about bowie knives."
 
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Barlow knife:

<copied from http://www.alloutdoor.com/2014/01/21/old-school-edc-history-barlow/>

One thing that hasn’t changed in three centuries is the fact that one of the best knives for EDC is still the Barlow.

The Barlow is a traditional knife pattern that was first produced in the 1700s in or around Sheffield, England. It has a long bolster, a tear drop shaped handle, and a clip point blade. They almost all open with a nail knick. Dozens of companies have made Barlow pattern knives, and today you can get a cheap overseas-made version for $5 or fine custom ones for more than five figures.

From Sheffield, England, the Barlow, like other goods, was sent across the ocean in huge trade routes. It made its way up the Mississippi and into early America. Everyone that had a pocket knife in 1800s America probably owned a Barlow once in their life. They were cheap enough that even poor people could carry one. They were the first widespread EDC knife, so universal, in fact, that by the 19th century the word “Barlow” was genericized and came to mean “folding knife.” (Interesting note: I can’t think of another term that was specific, became generic, and then reverted back to a specific meaning). The Barlow was mentioned in two books of Mark Twain, Huckleberry Finn and Tom Sawyer. This quintessential English, common man knife took hold in the New World and became the epitome of an American folding knife.



<copied from http://barlow-knives.com/history.htm>

The barlow knife was designed to be tough, and to be affordable. To keep the price low, the blade was high carbon steel, and the handle was bone, and not much time was spent in polishing it. To make it tough, the bolster was big and thick. The original barlows had only one blade. Now they have two, and more care is taken in finishing and polishing them.

John Russell may have been the first American to manufacture Barlow knives. The John Russell Company, now the Russell Harrington Cutlery Company of Southbridge, Massachusetts, first mass produced Barlow knives at their Greenfield Massachusetts, factory in 1875. They were called the Russell Barlow knife and instead of the word BARLOW on the bolster, they were stamped with Russell’s mark, an R with an arrow through it. Today these Russell Barlows are valuable antiques.

The history of the barlow knife has been difficult to trace. At least four American Barlow families have claimed that they invented the barlow knife. According to Laurence A. Johnson (1) the Barlow knife was probably first manufactured by Obadiah Barlow at Sheffield, England, around 1670. (2) Obadiah’s grandson, John Barlow, joined the business around 1745 and it was he who was chiefly responsible for developing the exportation of the Barlow knives to America. Another source says the barlow knife was also made by Luke Furnace of Stannington, which in the eighteenth century was a small village on the outskirts of Sheffield. Luke Furnace’s name occurs in the Sheffield directories from 1774 and 1787, but not in the 1797 directory, so he was presumably dead by then. He put the mark “1760” on his knives. The original Barlow, after whom the knives are named, was working in Sheffield at the same time as Luke Furnace.An 1823 directory of Sheffield, England cutlers (knife makers) shows Samuel Barlow on Neepsend (Street). In the Sheffield suburb of Stannington, Barlow Bros. is listed as a cutler. (3)

The first quote has incorrect and misleading information. It has no sources listed and I doubt much research was done in preparation. There seems to be no expertise or knowledge of the subject matter.

The second quote has references --that's good. It doesn't mean it is true. But providing references for claims allows the reader to fact check rather than blindly accept the claims as truth.
 
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The eponymous Swiss Army Knife is so named because... oh, but you know that one already. :p

I was told once that the muskrat was favored by muskrat trappers because the two identical blades made it possible to keep working once the first blade became dull. No idea if that is true.

I'd really like to know how the California clip got its name.

A California clip is shaped like the state of California. ;)
 
Blanking blades and machine grinding them was looked down upon in the early 1900s. Now, knives are commonly made this way.

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Probably best to just recommend reading Levine's Guide for "cool facts". This topic could lead new collectors astray if misinformation is reported as fact. Cool facts could also be substantiated with primary sources like old catalogs, old trade journals, etc.
Good point, Supra. We could have some fun with a thread named "amusing myths about traditional knives", although I can just imagine posting something as a joke, and a few years later seeing it cited as fact somewhere. In one hundred years, folks telling each other about how humpback whittlers were used to whittle humpbacks. :rolleyes:
 
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The famed Bowie knife....we all know this one I am sure. Pretty sure of how it got its name.
My understanding is that it was named after the neck garment referred to as the Bowtie. Folks back in the 1820's didn't spell so well and forgot the "t". Legend lives on.:rolleyes:o_O:poop: Pretty interesting fact I thought.
 
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Good point, Supra. We could have some fun with a thread named "amusing myths about traditional knives", although I can just imagine posting something as a joke, and a few years later seeing it sited as fact somewhere. In one hundred years, folks telling each other about how humpback whittlers were used to whittle humpbacks. :rolleyes:

I've seen some sources get referenced over and over even though the information is incorrect. Fiction can be more appealing and spread faster than fact. Fiction can even include ninjas. ;) But facts can keep people from buying fake knives and keep knife collecting alive. Once all the work that writers and collectors have done is drowned out and fiction replaces history, then everything becomes meaningless. It is just made up.
 
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"Polished mark side" was a matter of saving money. It was cheaper to just put a high polish on one side instead of both. Apparently the acronym wasn't used the same way back then. ;)

Quotes from Tariff Act of 1921:

Mr. Divine "...there are knives with special finish of... full crocus polished blades..."
Mr. Kastor: "...I also manufacture a cheaper knife known as the P.M.S. It has polished marked sides..."
 
"Polished mark side" was a matter of saving money. It was cheaper to just put a high polish on one side instead of both. Apparently the acronym wasn't used the same way back then. ;)

Quotes from Tariff Act of 1921:

Mr. Divine "...there are knives with special finish of... full crocus polished blades..."
Mr. Kastor: "...I also manufacture a cheaper knife known as the P.M.S. It has polished marked sides..."

Of all the ways to cut cost, this always struck me as an odd one. PMS just puts me in such a bad mood. ;)
 
The "Polished Mark Side" actually comes from the famous blade grinder Marcus Kerczinsky, who was known as "Polish Mark" after immigating to the US. He was known to grind only one half the blade, leaving the rest of the work to his apprentices, thus being able to say every knife was handmade by him. The work he did was was then known as the Polish (later Polished) Mark Side.

And then there was the large fighting knife carried by and later named after musician and actor David Bowie.

I just love history!

Zieg
 
The "Polished Mark Side" actually comes from the famous blade grinder Marcus Kerczinsky, who was known as "Polish Mark" after immigating to the US. He was known to grind only one half the blade, leaving the rest of the work to his apprentices, thus being able to say every knife was handmade by him. The work he did was was then known as the Polish (later Polished) Mark Side.

And then there was the large fighting knife carried by and later named after musician and actor David Bowie.

I just love history!

Zieg

I feel sorry for the guys whose parents named them Crocus and Glazed.

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