Cops stole my knives!!! GRRRRR!!! lol (and what's new with me)

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under bill c68 of the canadian criminal code a knife is a tool not a weapon so unless you tryed to use your knife for defence or it is a gravity knife then taking your knives was illegal for the rcmp to do

get it touch with the head officer and tell them that unlees you get your knives back right away you will have them charged for breaking federal law and that you will bring this matter to the news and also let them know that they broke your charter rights under section8 of the charter hope this helps

lee
 
Brady, my attitude is the same. "take my 'stuff' ? Like Hell".
however you find you are powerless by the time you become aware of the threats to what i'll call "personal freedoms". the loss of freedoms is a gradual evolution of mini steps, often changes in legislation hidden in order papers with 100s of other changes, etc. my the time you are aware, it is already a legislated fait accompli.
there is also a political vote getting agenda aimed at frightening urbanites, especially women. there has been an intense anti-male bias in Canadian Courts since a madman killed 14 female engineering students in Montreal about 17(?) years ago. (The Montreal Massacre). the political propaganda that men are dangerous and violent, so must not have access to "weapons", gets a lot of urban womens' votes. we are now a largely urban society so that's where the votes are (and common sense isn't).
roland
 
Waynorth, Tongueriver, Roland and I might meet up this summer for show and tell so to speak. I have a special way with lockbacks. I can now hand-hone the walk to perfection etc. My skills are formidable and I'd like to share knife and bushcraft skills etc. The more the merrier!!!!

Wish I could make a trip like that. Too many states, although Cal is making a decent trek. I think I live about 16 hours south of him. Sure would be a pretty drive though, and would be a lot of old hardware stores to hit on the way.

Good luck with the knives.
 
Michael: "... do you think you are leaving soon ?... roland

Oh, hurl naw! I have no such plans at all! Sorry if my post above was misunderstood. But I've seen enough creeping socialism even here in this relatively conservative area to give me cause for concern as to where it will end up in another 90 years. I don't really think I'd want to live another 90 years anyway.

My grandfather who passed in 1963 would be quite lost in today's world. "I'll be sugar-dammn if I'll take my shotgun out of the window rack in my truck except to use it as I see fittin' ".

My father who passed in 1989 would be appaled. "Get a license from the government to carry my pistol? Are they crazy?" "What do you mean I could get in trouble for carrying this knife (9" bone handeled bowie) in my truck?"

I already see my young adult children more readily accepting such as normal and acceptable.

Maybe it is just the way things are supposed to be. But I do feel for my friends in Australia, Canada and Enland who have already traveled a bit further down this path than we have here in the States. And I won't be surprised if this thread get's moved because of it's content.

Perk up Dave and good luck.
 
Still confused as to the reason they confiscated your knives. Did someone lodge a complaint against you? Did an officer see your collection? Did they come into your house with a search warrant and if so why was the warrant issued? Sorry, just still curious.
 
Brooks, everything you say is correct, and should ultimately protect individual rights. you believe Canada is a fair and just country as did i for 60 years.
if one day, out of the blue, due to absolutely no actions of your own, your rights are violated by the RCMP, you will discover that our laws and reality differ.
at present, and for some years now, the RCMP are a law onto themselves, and act, even murder, with impunity. remember that about 6 months ago the head of the RCMP complaints commitee, after receiving and investigating 100s of of complaints from individuals, including from the families of at least 5 individuals murdered in B.C. alone, by the RCMP, recommended to the Federal Government that certain meaningful changes be made, was dismissed from his post the very next day by Prime Minister Harper.
although minor compared with what has happened to others, the events i went through were demeaning and frightening. i came to know first hand that my 60 years of faith in the fairness of our "Justice " system is simply wrong.
the RCMP are a stressed out force, and the implusive, unprovoked, violent actions, and subsequent lying, by many of it's members, resembles Post Traumatic Stress disorder.
the result is whatever happens to you at the hands(guns/Tazers) of the RCMP is reality. your ability to do anything about it is an illusion.
o.k., 'nuf said by me; back to knives, roland
 
Better go get a good lawyer, and go from there. The more the cops get away with this kind of tyranny, the worse its going to become.
 
Thanks to you all (too many to mention by name) for your sound, wise and righteosly indignant support. This does bother me. On the other hand it's only money in the end but I plan on doing everything possible to get them all back.

I can take care of myself and understand the system pretty well but you guys have given me more food for thought and filled in some details I hadn't got to yet. Thanks! I will see this through... What's mine is mine. It's the principle not the $500.00.

Cheers! -Dave
 
I got back a super rare Anheuser-Busch, Mason (lodge) LB-7 with cool optical illusion and really nice two colour engraving. LB-7 from the police. I will keep you guys posted and add some pics to "My Latest Schrade" as soon as I am able. Cheers! D
 
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Whether by the blatant thievery of tyranny, or by the slow, steady erosion of short-sighted, uninformed, elitist, liberal legislation, the result is the same, our liberties are disappearing. I have witnessed personally the patriotism, loyalty, and kindness of my fellow knife and gun owners. We are not the enemy.
I realize that I am restating in different words a sentiment that has been expressed at least once in this thread so far... the United States is headed down a dangerous road in the name of security. Security is itself a myth. I want to leave my children, and grandchildren (which there better not be any coming yet!) with a nation, and a neighbor to my north, that values, and would die to protect the liberties which our founding forefathers gave their lives to establish.
In the immortal words of Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Just my two cents.

And Dave, I do sincerely hope you are successful in retrieving your stolen treasures from whomever has taken them.

Greg
 
Since this an off topic thread, I will add a quote from an email I received this morning.
It shows that there are a few things going in the proper direction.
I think we may be seeing the beginning of a pendulum swing back in a conservative direction, at least here in the US. Hopefully it will spill over into Canada as well.

The email is from the Second Amendment Foundation, a gun rights organization.

Dale

WA SUPREME COURT JUSTICE RICHARD SANDERS
AUTHORS SIGNIFICANT GUN RIGHTS RULING



By Alan M. Gottlieb

Executive Vice President

Second Amendment Foundation

The Washington State Supreme Court has issued a precedent-setting opinion in the case of State v. Christopher William Sieyes which holds that the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution's Bill of Rights "applies to the states via the Fourteenth Amendment"

This outstanding opinion was authored by Justice Richard B. Sanders, a Supreme Court veteran who clearly understands the history of both the state and federal constitutional right to keep and bear arms. Perhaps what makes the Sanders opinion so remarkable is that it places the Washington Supreme Court ahead of the United States Supreme Court in recognition that the U.S. Constitution's recognition of the right to keep and bear arms applies to all citizens, and should also place limits on state and local governments, as it does on Congress.

Quoting Justice Sanders, "Lower courts need not wait for the Supreme Court the Constitution is the rule of all courts both state and federal judiciaries wield power to strike down unconstitutional government acts."

The Sanders opinion was issued February 18, 2010 and its significance quickly registered with gun rights organizations and activists across the map. For example, the National Shooting Sports Foundation hailed the ruling. NSSF Senior Vice President and General Counsel Lawrence G. Keane called it "a welcome development and victory for the rights of law-abiding firearms owners."

This state high court opinion, among other things, effectively "puts on notice" anti-gun groups in the Evergreen State that their continued efforts to impair the rights of legally-armed citizens will face not only growing legislative resistance, but intense legal scrutiny. Though not binding on other states, it clears a path for other state supreme courts to follow.

Despite its brevity at only 24 pages, Justice Sanders' opinion - which was co-signed by five of his colleagues, including Chief Justice Barbara A. Madsen - thoroughly and proactively debunks any suggestion that the authors of Article 1, Section 24 of the Washington State Constitution did not mean specifically what they wrote: "The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men."

Perhaps Justice Sanders put it best when he noted, "This right is necessary to an Anglo-American regime of ordered liberty and fundamental to the American scheme of justice."

 
Thanks Dale and Greg for your support and interesting info. I only have an hour a day access to comp right now but I will be back regularily soon as I can.

I miss "Schradeing" big time but have too much on my plate right now for hobby time.

Hope all you guys find some more sweeet Schrades! Hope all are healthy and happy! Cheers!

-Dave (not-around-enough-lately) Thinkstoomuch
 
New to Blade forum so Hi

Like the rest I collect knives. Two best, 1977 Schrade limited edition white
handled SCM II and a 1964 Buck Model 110.

On another note, Dave you are nuts. "I was sick with bi-polar". Interesting way of putting it. Your language is totally out of order and really not needed.

I have never ever had a problem with the RCMP. The whole theory "Damn the man" is crazy. Gun restriction laws are one thing but if the RC's are taking your knives, there must be underlining issues.

Anyway, take care and cheers
 
Brent, reviving an old thread to post degrogatory and uninformed comments is not a good way of introducing yourself.
This Schrade forum has a wealth of information and the most knowlegeable and kind Schrade collectors as it's 'regulars'.
Do stick around, there is much to learn here and good friendship, but try to be more considerate with future posts.
roland
 
New to Blade forum so Hi

Like the rest I collect knives. Two best, 1977 Schrade limited edition white
handled SCM II and a 1964 Buck Model 110.

On another note, Dave you are nuts. "I was sick with bi-polar". Interesting way of putting it. Your language is totally out of order and really not needed.

I have never ever had a problem with the RCMP. The whole theory "Damn the man" is crazy. Gun restriction laws are one thing but if the RC's are taking your knives, there must be underlining issues.

Anyway, take care and cheers

Dude, speaking of "Your language is totally out of order and really not needed.", well, "nuts" is uncalled for and in the same category. I have been sick (had bipolar episode) only 3 times in over a dozen years since I was diagnosed. With bipolar you are as sane as anyone else except when having an "episode". Winston Churchill was bipolar:

http://www.bipolar-lives.com/winston-churchill-and-manic-depression.html

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/mental-health/bipolar.html

and I think we all know where we would be today without him.

Here's a list of famous bipolar folks if anyone is interested and this list just scratches the surface:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_affected_by_bipolar_disorder

This obscure thread was dead for eight months before brent111 bumped it with his personal attack. I cannot fathom how he even discovered it and why he chose to target me in only his second posting at BladeForums. I had hoped to let this drop and frankly I regretted sharing that I had bipolar disorder but now to set the record straight I will share more details.

What I was doing to spark this whole problem was listening to loud music in my apartment and singing along with it. A neighbor complained and cops showed up. I had my whole collection packed into one box instead of on display so that they were not available to me while I was sick. I know how to manage my illness. I have no history of violence and no criminal record.

The RCMP get very little training around dealing with the mentally ill (a couple hours of in-class training while in "Basic" in Edmonton) unlike Metro Toronto and Vancouver police who have a special highly trained unit. "Car 87" program it's called.

Cops looked around and found my collection because I let them. I was completely co-operating with them and trusting them to do the right thing for everyone involved. I voluntarily gave the cops the box to ease their minds and to make them even more inaccessible because I agreed with them that removing them temporarily would be even safer than packing them all away.

The cops left me with all my cooking knives which are just as dangerous as hunting knives in the wrong hands.

The cops did screw me over because I have since found out from RCMP complaints analyst in Ottawa that the are required to provide receipts for seized property and Kelowna detachment just told me in a cocky manner that they don't do that. Period.

They gave me back 4 out of about 14 knives when I was stabilized and healthy again but the bulk of my collection disappeared and all the cops lied and said their were only four to begin with.

What they did was lie, break the laws of Canada regarding seizure and they kept whatever knives they chose because it was their word against mine that there were 14 knives to begin with.

The language I used was against forum rules and I apologized for it but I didn't know that when I posted the expletives. I do now and it won't and hasn't happened again.

I sincerely hope other members here do not agree that it was ok to steal from me because I was sick. They had no legal basis on which to keep my collection. There are no court orders etc prohibiting me from owning knives and the public is in no danger because I do.

As I said before they left me with all of my kitchen knives (10" chef's knife etc) showing no concern about me keeping them and only took my Schrade collection. They were required to give me a receipt (the most important regulation they broke) and if they had this would not be happening. I trusted the RCMP at the time and it never even dawned on me this could happen which is why I never even thought to ask for a receipt at the time. I felt secure that if my collection was in RCMP hands it was safe.

Never in a million years would I have thought they would lie about what they took from me. One of the RCMP involved now likely has my collection on display at their house and is laughing to themselves about how they took them from a "crazy" and feeling above the law because it's my word against theirs. They were required to return all my collection but all the cops involved are sticking to the story I only owned four Schrades and not a box-full. That's a bold-faced lie and the constables who seized my stuff know it. They only handed in and documented four of my knives for their "lock-up" but I have bills for all of them.

They chose to keep my knives for themselves and it's no less dirty than if they took a bag of heroin home with them instead of turning it in. Whether or not people agree as to whether or not I should be a knife collector is kinda moot. Point here is that at least two Kelowna RCMP have no problem with being dirty and if they did this to me who knows what other even worse things they do. It is not ok for cops to lie, steal and decide for themselves whether or not I should collect knives. They should lead by example but in this case the cops are the criminals and I am the victim. Period.

brent111, I'm a good man, 43 years old, have had a knife in my pocket or on my belt my whole life with no trouble. Knives to me are tools. You know nothing about who I am. You know nothing about my history. Insulting me only shows how little you know about mental illness and how quick you are to judge others. Your assumption that RCMP must have had their reasons is correct but skewed. Their only reasons I can see are because they knew that in the circumstances they could get away with it and someone involved liked my collection.

Comments "from the cheap seats" based on assumptions and not facts just show the ignorance of the writer. The fact that brent111's first post was removed as "spam" impresses me just as little as his uneducated opinion on my affairs.
 
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Brent, reviving an old thread to post degrogatory and uninformed comments is not a good way of introducing yourself.
This Schrade forum has a wealth of information and the most knowlegeable and kind Schrade collectors as it's 'regulars'.
Do stick around, there is much to learn here and good friendship, but try to be more considerate with future posts.
roland

Thanks ever so much Roland. I had hoped (and assumed) that you would feel that way seeing as how you are educated in this area, you being an MD but thanks again for going "on the record" with your views and not remaining silent.

I really hope one day we can meet up, show each other our collections and swap outdoors stories etc. Cheers!
 
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