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Correlation between preferred knife style and tendency to use combative language?
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Cougar Allen
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To Ghostsix: I just posted an appeal to you in another thread to try to post your replies in the same thread and on the same forum as the post you're replying to, in the hope that'll cut down some of the confusion.... If you happen to read this thread first, here's a link to that thread: http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum32/HTML/001083.html
To anyone who thinks he understands what Ghostsix posted and is offended by it and wants to flame him -- please, go right ahead and flame him, but don't do it in this thread? Please? Take that link above to see the plan I've suggested for trying to keep this controversy in some kind of boundaries ... if everybody replies to Ghostsix's posts in the threads he posts them in the controversy will spread out over half of this website and parts of several others and nobody will have the faintest idea what's going on -- not the people trying to have a discussion spread out in twenty or thirty threads, not the people who don't hang out on the tactical forum and have no clue where this controversy is coming from or what it could possibly be about.
To anyone who knows he doesn't understand who Ghostsix is talking to or what he's talking about ... you could click on that link and get some hints about what's going on, but you're not really going to understand unless you read a lot of stuff on the tactical forum.... If you're curious go for it, but IMHO the controversy over testing flying saucer keys is much more entertaining.
-Cougar Allen :{)
To anyone who thinks he understands what Ghostsix posted and is offended by it and wants to flame him -- please, go right ahead and flame him, but don't do it in this thread? Please? Take that link above to see the plan I've suggested for trying to keep this controversy in some kind of boundaries ... if everybody replies to Ghostsix's posts in the threads he posts them in the controversy will spread out over half of this website and parts of several others and nobody will have the faintest idea what's going on -- not the people trying to have a discussion spread out in twenty or thirty threads, not the people who don't hang out on the tactical forum and have no clue where this controversy is coming from or what it could possibly be about.
To anyone who knows he doesn't understand who Ghostsix is talking to or what he's talking about ... you could click on that link and get some hints about what's going on, but you're not really going to understand unless you read a lot of stuff on the tactical forum.... If you're curious go for it, but IMHO the controversy over testing flying saucer keys is much more entertaining.
-Cougar Allen :{)
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To get back on topic, I'm not sure whether Ghostsix belongs on my list of random ornery members or not because I'm seldom sure I understand anything he posts, but for what it's worth, he likes Randalls, and doesn't like the looks of Mad Dogs.
Jim March likes BIG knives and (tiny) guns, and he's not ornery.
Vampire Gerbil, though, must be about as ornery as they come judging by the pics on his website -- and his favorite is the Leatherman Micra.
-Cougar Allen :{)
Jim March likes BIG knives and (tiny) guns, and he's not ornery.
Vampire Gerbil, though, must be about as ornery as they come judging by the pics on his website -- and his favorite is the Leatherman Micra.
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cerulean:
There's a difference between trying to encourage lively, good natured, or perhaps tongue-in-cheek discussion - and deliberately trying to encite flames.
I promise you that it is not my intention to troll.
There's a difference between trying to encourage lively, good natured, or perhaps tongue-in-cheek discussion - and deliberately trying to encite flames.
I promise you that it is not my intention to troll.
Coug,I was not addressing you,this time.I have a wide varity of weapons.I love them all.
Ok,I looked at the thread.Usually,once I say something,I do not go back to see what others think of it.I don`t even scroll down to see what I said.Frankly,I do not care.
I see that this can lead to misunderstanding.As I do not care about being understood by the hoi polis,that makes no matter.I am understandable by some.I have no interest in expanding that circle.
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Ok,I looked at the thread.Usually,once I say something,I do not go back to see what others think of it.I don`t even scroll down to see what I said.Frankly,I do not care.
I see that this can lead to misunderstanding.As I do not care about being understood by the hoi polis,that makes no matter.I am understandable by some.I have no interest in expanding that circle.
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this is so ethnocentric! What about the guy with a well tarnished, razor sharp Case trapper that is just waiting for some one to dis him so he can one hand it out of his jeans and make chipped beef out of ya? The guy with the $300.00 "black" knife is the last one I would worry about. it's those 99 cent POS kitchen knives wielded by folks that dont care squat about knives, but are quite WILLING that you need to worry about.
I like little concealable knifes, big folders with strong, reliable locks, and khukhuris of all sizes (the latter has become a strange obsession...). I like reading congent and humourous post where people are pretty much respectful of others. I try to be respectful if not totally cogent in my own posts.
Those who post with biligerence I tend to simply ignore.
Finally, I reserve my hostility for those standing in front of me with the intent to hurt me or mine.
sing
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Those who post with biligerence I tend to simply ignore.
Finally, I reserve my hostility for those standing in front of me with the intent to hurt me or mine.
sing
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[This message has been edited by sing (edited 18 November 1999).]
I like to walk softly, but carry a big stick. I also have a fascination with Khukuris. I like my carry knives to be low profile, but effective and readily available, so I don't usually carry a Khukuri.
Mutual respect is a good thing. If you can't show the respect, it's probably better not to show at all. I find myself many times wanting to reply to posts, but after thinking twice, I keep my hands off the keyboard. I know many here do the same.
Also, it's nice to see the great sense of humor many show. Sharp wit is as good a tool as a sharp knife. I never use combative language in these forums. It's the wrong place for that. The strongest I would post is the agree to disagree post.
How could anyone named Uncle Bill be a troll?
Good question for discussion Uncle Bill. I don't think we can characterise who gets combative more easily. We can, however, name those who have shown this tendency in the past. I won't do the naming, will you?
Mutual respect is a good thing. If you can't show the respect, it's probably better not to show at all. I find myself many times wanting to reply to posts, but after thinking twice, I keep my hands off the keyboard. I know many here do the same.
Also, it's nice to see the great sense of humor many show. Sharp wit is as good a tool as a sharp knife. I never use combative language in these forums. It's the wrong place for that. The strongest I would post is the agree to disagree post.
How could anyone named Uncle Bill be a troll?
Uncle Bill keeps poking at a larger issue, one which cuts across different interests and dispositions much less different types of knives. It might be more of an issue of 'knives as weapons' vs 'knives as tools', but I don't think so as there are lots of people who are interested in knives as weapons and most are no different than anyone else. I guess Uncle Bill is looking for a way to identify some of the riff-raff in the knife community, and while the percentages will be on his side if he singles out 'tactical knives' the brush is too broad and unfair. It's probably not unfair when some pretend that knives aren't weapons and yet seek to profit handsomely from selling knives as weapons, or suggesting that they are. A co-worker asked about one hand openers for self defense, and after suggesting that he look at some cutlery stores in some of the malls to get an idea of shapes, sizes, handling, etc., he said that he had, and that the clerks said that the primary customer for such knives were young gang-banger types. A bit less ugly of a description was mentioned in another thread, where it was noted that tactical knives in some collecter circles were noted as 'blue collar knives', and in spite of the popularity of the type may not hold their value over the long haul.
I think that 'riff-raff' are better identified by their actions and words than by the knives that they carry, and that the knife making and using community needs to consider what type of interests they're trying to foster. As an example is bladeforums the type of place you wouldn't mind your young teen reading ? Is it the type of place that anyone with some interest in knives would feel comfortable in ? Do we want the place to have the air of a sleezy bar, or more like a knife store in a nice town where all sorts of people are looking for kitchen knives, pocket knives, hunting kinves, and combat knives ? I think that we need both :^)
I think that 'riff-raff' are better identified by their actions and words than by the knives that they carry, and that the knife making and using community needs to consider what type of interests they're trying to foster. As an example is bladeforums the type of place you wouldn't mind your young teen reading ? Is it the type of place that anyone with some interest in knives would feel comfortable in ? Do we want the place to have the air of a sleezy bar, or more like a knife store in a nice town where all sorts of people are looking for kitchen knives, pocket knives, hunting kinves, and combat knives ? I think that we need both :^)
Wow, this has been a heavily discussed issue. My fancy for knives is one-hand openers, and I think that tactical knives have a certain aesthetic quality that appeals to me. However, I don't think that my fondness for tactical knives necissarily implies that I am an agressive or combative person...on the contrary, I think I'm pretty laid back.
I don't think the type of knife you carry implies your personality. (I may be wrong) Moreover, I really hate to make these big generalizations. But I suppose that more agressive acts take place with "tactical knives" than than stag handled hunter/utility knives. Although, I might wager that most "criminals" wouldn't be carrying any kind of nice knife that we would have...I bet they carry around some kind of kitchen knife that they won't be heart-broken over when the police arrest them and take it away.
Why do we bicker on the forum anyway? Many topics are debatable, but there's no reason for to take opinions so personally. I have my beliefs, you have yours, they may differ, but as long as we can attempt to see something from another persons perspective, I think we can all benefit.
My bottom line. The forum is a diverse place with many people, from many backgrounds. We all share a comon intrest...knives. I participate in the forum for enjoyment and personal growth. I do not think that anything said/written on the forum should negatively effect me. Remember guys "sticks and stones..."
Sorry I've gotten so off subject. With the whole G6 thing (see Cougar's link) and other "hot topics" I think some of us just need to chill out.
Thanks for reading,
Mitch
I don't think the type of knife you carry implies your personality. (I may be wrong) Moreover, I really hate to make these big generalizations. But I suppose that more agressive acts take place with "tactical knives" than than stag handled hunter/utility knives. Although, I might wager that most "criminals" wouldn't be carrying any kind of nice knife that we would have...I bet they carry around some kind of kitchen knife that they won't be heart-broken over when the police arrest them and take it away.
Why do we bicker on the forum anyway? Many topics are debatable, but there's no reason for to take opinions so personally. I have my beliefs, you have yours, they may differ, but as long as we can attempt to see something from another persons perspective, I think we can all benefit.
My bottom line. The forum is a diverse place with many people, from many backgrounds. We all share a comon intrest...knives. I participate in the forum for enjoyment and personal growth. I do not think that anything said/written on the forum should negatively effect me. Remember guys "sticks and stones..."
Sorry I've gotten so off subject. With the whole G6 thing (see Cougar's link) and other "hot topics" I think some of us just need to chill out.
Thanks for reading,
Mitch
Whoa! This thread went from somewhat comical to the bizarre and boomerranged back again. Just goes to show you what happens when you ask the general populace what they think. Just like at a robbery scene, no 5 witnesses see the exact same thing. Personally, the diversity brings out a lot of different views and allows me to compare them against my own convictions. That's what I thought this forum was designed to do--inform.
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Hmmmmmm.
See, the type and size of knife you carry might be determined more by "local needs" than any personality type. I've been described above as pretty easy going, which is *mostly* true...I can get pissed, just ask my Sheriff
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But, I'm around nasty neigborhoods and the knife laws around me are extremely lax. SO, I own Sifu1, The Outsider, etc. If that wasn't enough, I grew up ocean fishing and we used to hack the heads off of 20lbs+ fish all the time...you don't do that with little Stockmans or whatever...for that matter, a low-end filet knife can break on a big halibut spine. We'd use fairly big stuff, Bowies and such.
These and "cultural" factors make a difference, perhaps as much or moreso than personality quirks.
Second, show me a guy who *knows* he's packing a weapon and there's a fair likelyhood he "respects" it, respects what it can do. Some fool with a Swiss army knife who thinks he's going to "teach somebody a lesson for "dissin" them" without realizing he's into deadly-force consequences could possibly do a hell of a lot more damage than some guy in control with a megafolder.
I'll tell you from two personal experiences: you play it cool with a megafolder in hand, it probably won't come down to cutting. Been there, done that. Get crazy with a SAK and it's *more* likely.
Jim
See, the type and size of knife you carry might be determined more by "local needs" than any personality type. I've been described above as pretty easy going, which is *mostly* true...I can get pissed, just ask my Sheriff
But, I'm around nasty neigborhoods and the knife laws around me are extremely lax. SO, I own Sifu1, The Outsider, etc. If that wasn't enough, I grew up ocean fishing and we used to hack the heads off of 20lbs+ fish all the time...you don't do that with little Stockmans or whatever...for that matter, a low-end filet knife can break on a big halibut spine. We'd use fairly big stuff, Bowies and such.
These and "cultural" factors make a difference, perhaps as much or moreso than personality quirks.
Second, show me a guy who *knows* he's packing a weapon and there's a fair likelyhood he "respects" it, respects what it can do. Some fool with a Swiss army knife who thinks he's going to "teach somebody a lesson for "dissin" them" without realizing he's into deadly-force consequences could possibly do a hell of a lot more damage than some guy in control with a megafolder.
I'll tell you from two personal experiences: you play it cool with a megafolder in hand, it probably won't come down to cutting. Been there, done that. Get crazy with a SAK and it's *more* likely.
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As long as everybody's keeping it light and maintaining the ability to laugh at themselves a bit, I guess I'm glad I started all this.
I do hope it's possible here to give each other (and ourselves) a bit of ribbing from time to time -- instead of constantly acting like 3oz. target triggers.
Is there a correlation between the kind of knife we prefer and the kind of personality we have? Do people who like baaaad blades also like to strut their macho when typing at the computer?
Fun question as long as we park our egos and . . . relax.
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I do hope it's possible here to give each other (and ourselves) a bit of ribbing from time to time -- instead of constantly acting like 3oz. target triggers.
Is there a correlation between the kind of knife we prefer and the kind of personality we have? Do people who like baaaad blades also like to strut their macho when typing at the computer?
Fun question as long as we park our egos and . . . relax.
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Cougar, is there any particular reason why I'm at the head of your random list of ornery forumites?
Yeah, I guess I should have been more clear in my statement; I'm a cocky b@stard and have a tendency towards being an abrassive a$$hole. It's just that I'm not likely to haul off and stab/punch/or in any other way(physicaly
) attack somebody for no particular reason.
And actualy, it's not the 110, the first knife that I specificaly selected and carried to see duty as a defensive weapon was a Buck Ranger, which has a blade 3/4's an inch _shorter_ than a 110.
I think the 110 confusion arose when I was talking about my present favorite factory knife, the XlTi, as being essentialy a 110 with a better handle.
I prefer the silver XlTi, by the way, and it hardly counts as a "tactical knife" by today's standards. No serrations, no thumbstud or bladehole, no clip, it's got a traditional lockback, it's not even a chisel ground tanto, it's a plain ol' fashioned clip point.
On the other hand, my all-time favorite knives are navajas, and while the are large and quite capable weapons, they are a traditional pattern that's considered a bit old fashioned/anachronistic by most, and are quite frequently highly decorated and look more elegant than threatening.
Yeah, I guess I should have been more clear in my statement; I'm a cocky b@stard and have a tendency towards being an abrassive a$$hole. It's just that I'm not likely to haul off and stab/punch/or in any other way(physicaly
And actualy, it's not the 110, the first knife that I specificaly selected and carried to see duty as a defensive weapon was a Buck Ranger, which has a blade 3/4's an inch _shorter_ than a 110.
I think the 110 confusion arose when I was talking about my present favorite factory knife, the XlTi, as being essentialy a 110 with a better handle.
I prefer the silver XlTi, by the way, and it hardly counts as a "tactical knife" by today's standards. No serrations, no thumbstud or bladehole, no clip, it's got a traditional lockback, it's not even a chisel ground tanto, it's a plain ol' fashioned clip point.
On the other hand, my all-time favorite knives are navajas, and while the are large and quite capable weapons, they are a traditional pattern that's considered a bit old fashioned/anachronistic by most, and are quite frequently highly decorated and look more elegant than threatening.
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Heck, no, Snickersnee -- look again. I'm the one at the top of that list! And I yield precedence to none!
Thanks for correcting and adding to my memory of the knives you liked. BTW, I'm still fighting an attraction to navajas myself ... theologically a no-no, you understand ... maybe it's the naughtiness that makes them so attractive to me??? I dunno....
I wonder if I can hold off that hankering until you start making them. So far I haven't seen any for sale that weren't pretty junky ... so it hasn't been as difficult to restrain myself as it might have been....
I expect I've misremembered the preferences of others in my random list of ornery members, too. I expect them to notice this thread and flame my pants off any minute....
Jim March has an interesting idea about using big knives developing one's liking for them. I bet a lot of us would get to like big honkin' knives if we got a chance to use them more. That might apply to other things besides size, too -- the hawkbill lovers seem to use their hawkbills a lot ... would I get to like hawkbills if I used one every day? (I feel fairly neutral about hawkbills as of now ... maybe I would be a good subject for an experiment.)
-Cougar Allen :{)
Thanks for correcting and adding to my memory of the knives you liked. BTW, I'm still fighting an attraction to navajas myself ... theologically a no-no, you understand ... maybe it's the naughtiness that makes them so attractive to me??? I dunno....
I wonder if I can hold off that hankering until you start making them. So far I haven't seen any for sale that weren't pretty junky ... so it hasn't been as difficult to restrain myself as it might have been....
I expect I've misremembered the preferences of others in my random list of ornery members, too. I expect them to notice this thread and flame my pants off any minute....
Jim March has an interesting idea about using big knives developing one's liking for them. I bet a lot of us would get to like big honkin' knives if we got a chance to use them more. That might apply to other things besides size, too -- the hawkbill lovers seem to use their hawkbills a lot ... would I get to like hawkbills if I used one every day? (I feel fairly neutral about hawkbills as of now ... maybe I would be a good subject for an experiment.)
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Well I'm satisfied. Now to the next (and vastly more important) question. Is there a correlation between a person's choice of knife and his favorite music?
How about:
Stag-handled fixed blades = George Jones and Willie Nelson
Mad Dog = 70s metal
Randall = sound track to "Victory at Sea"
Small SAK = Theme to "Mr. Rogers Neighborhood"
Fallkniven = "The Hall of the Mountain King"
Taiwan Spyderco Knockoff = Rap
Buck 110 = whatever is on those $5.99 tapes at the truck stops
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How about:
Stag-handled fixed blades = George Jones and Willie Nelson
Mad Dog = 70s metal
Randall = sound track to "Victory at Sea"
Small SAK = Theme to "Mr. Rogers Neighborhood"
Fallkniven = "The Hall of the Mountain King"
Taiwan Spyderco Knockoff = Rap
Buck 110 = whatever is on those $5.99 tapes at the truck stops
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I would be tempted to add:
"tactical knives": Warrant, Winger, and other 80's "hair metal"* superstars.
Actualy, that would be an intresting topic, but I wonder if there would really be method to the madness.
I mostly listen to heavy orchestral and classic Sabbath. Possible correlation to my prefered edged weapons would be;
Out of date by most people's standards, but pioneering stuff that still packs quite a wallop and can hold its own against the Johnny-come-latelies.
*much as I can't see "tactical knives" as real knives, so I have to put the term in quotations; I can't see 80's "hair metal" as real metal, so I have to put it in quotations.
Cougar, you may not have to wait much longer. I'm upgrading my tools right now, and it looks like my deal with the Army is falling through, but they're STILL jerking me around...
I'm looking at going into limited production by late January unless by some stroke of luck the Army aproves my waiver. In which case I probably won't be able to start production till late summer, and that's assuming they don't send me to the field right away to opress goatherders in third world countries I've never heard of.
You may be pleased to hear that r&d is going quite well. I'm planning to offer both navajas and the larger santiolos.
Oh, why are navajas "theologicaly a no-no"?
"tactical knives": Warrant, Winger, and other 80's "hair metal"* superstars.
Actualy, that would be an intresting topic, but I wonder if there would really be method to the madness.
I mostly listen to heavy orchestral and classic Sabbath. Possible correlation to my prefered edged weapons would be;
Out of date by most people's standards, but pioneering stuff that still packs quite a wallop and can hold its own against the Johnny-come-latelies.
*much as I can't see "tactical knives" as real knives, so I have to put the term in quotations; I can't see 80's "hair metal" as real metal, so I have to put it in quotations.
Cougar, you may not have to wait much longer. I'm upgrading my tools right now, and it looks like my deal with the Army is falling through, but they're STILL jerking me around...
I'm looking at going into limited production by late January unless by some stroke of luck the Army aproves my waiver. In which case I probably won't be able to start production till late summer, and that's assuming they don't send me to the field right away to opress goatherders in third world countries I've never heard of.
You may be pleased to hear that r&d is going quite well. I'm planning to offer both navajas and the larger santiolos.
Oh, why are navajas "theologicaly a no-no"?
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Good thread, Uncle Bill. Since the first question has been beaten to death, I'll tackle the music-to-knife correlation issue. REKAT Carnivour=soundtrack to The Matrix. Dozier ProSkinner=Montana Cafe by Hank Jr. Spydie Rookie=theme from Hawaii Five-O (I'm not sure why, it just immediately came to mind.) Sifu=I'm gonna have to pull out the stops on this one and go back a little: for the Mighty Sifu, I choose Gary Moore's Corridor of Power. Pure guitar force combined with mega-folder attitude. If not the Gary Moore, then some old Iron Maiden, perhaps Run to the Hills. For my Blackwood Small Game, how about Honky Tonk Heroes by Mr. Jennings. And finally, for the Emerson CQC7, Red Barchetta (sp?) by Rush. Whoops-forgot the Griffith Large Hunter: how about some clean Steely Dan-maybe My Old School? I don't know-these are probably only "clicking" for me, so I'll sign off.
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Well, I'm sitting here with 4 knives on me, and another one within reach. Those include a BM Axis 710, a Spyderco Standard, a Spyderco Military, a BM Nimravus Cub, and a SAK Executive. I would say that those are primarily the black-handled "tacticals". However, I think that I normally just keep my mouth shut when it comes to heated verbal discussion or confrontation. I just don't like to fight, and especially if/when I'm carrying a little hardware. It just ain't sensible.
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