Cosmoline WW2 KaBar Mk2 Fighting Knife

jftman

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Some years ago I bought a US Marines type MK2 fighting knife
I think it came with a sheath.
It was never issued or if issued not put to use.
It is wrapped in some oily paper with what they call "cosmolene?"
Coating the knife.
I left it this way and put it away.

I guess that is then like a toy in the box unopened.
Is there a fair estimate of demand and supply and should I
Decide to sell, should I first clean it and sell as mint or?...??
 
If it were mine, and I decided to sell it, I would leave it as-is.
Cleaning destroys value (by a considerable amount) to collectors.
 
If I wipe off the cosmoline it is a dry, tactile surface "new, mint " surface not such as a "cleaned" knife
To restore brightness under patina.
So by cleaning how does that destroy value?

As it is it's under wraps and no body is seeing the condition, and
Enjoying the minty new "old" knife.

What to do?......
 
I'm just saying to a collector to come across a knife in pre issued condition would be a great find for them. Meaning pristine condition that no one has messed with that's all. But, your knife do what you want.


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I don't understand why people ask for advice from knowledgeable sources and then argue with or ignore said advice. Do whatever you want with your knife and live with the results value wise. Just FYI, I'm with the "leave it as is" crowd. I see similar questions often on firearms forums. People decide to "clean up/polish/restore" an antique gun's patina and thereby destroy the collector value. The cosmoline and paper on your knife is evidence of an unissued, un-messed with item.
 
About being argumentative.
My response to the stated "cleaning" was to draw a distinction about wiping off said cosmoline
And putting a knife exposed to the air for many years under a polishing wheel.

My initial question relates more to
If I were to take off the cosmoline The knife would be mint, and uncleaned in the traditional sense.
So, Can a genuine "uncleaned mint knife" always pass as one NEVER buffed and polished mechanically?

Items such as coins have the original luster from the mint.
A cleaned coin can be distinquished from a claim tobe uncleaned coin.....
Is this true for knives?

Since I have a Cosmolined knife from WW2 might I open up a can of worms
And be able to still let the knife speak for it's self?

My sense says it is not cut and dried.

If It was Yours to either leave it untouched, or wipe it down and make a claim it was
Just wiped off, which way is the better way to show genuine "mintness" and for the most value
After all?
 
My knowledge of the collectable antique weapons market comes from a girlfriend I had who worked for a dealer and appraiser of antique weapons.

There are different types of "collectors"-

There are people who simply buy whatever strikes their fancy. They won't do any research, they don't really know anything about antique weapons, they just know what they like. Some of these "collectors" will pay big bucks for what they like (if they have money to burn), and some would never pay asking prices. These types of collectors wouldn't care about "original condition", or patina. They wouldn't even know what those are.

At the other end of the spectrum are the "serious" collectors. These are people who know everything there is to know about the items they are thinking of buying, what makes them valuable, and what other serious collectors are willing to pay. The serious collectors might be buying for their own enjoyment, or they might be buying as an investment. Either way, the serious collector wants the item to be as original as possible, and will pay top value for it. They would not want the factory grease to be cleaned off, much less the patina removed. In fact, removing the patina could very easily cause serious collectors to not be interested.

The serious collector isn't like the typical "knife enthusiast". Serious collectors will happily pay for dull, rusted, pitted, tarnished knives, as long as such conditions are the natural result of aging, and/or usage by the original owner.

The last thing a serious collector wants is to buy an antique knife that some amateur tried to clean or restore. When serious collectors want their items cleaned or restored they have qualified experts do it, experts who are well known in the antiques world, and whose work will not reduce the items value because it is known that they know what they are doing.

I heard many stories of people reducing the value of antiques by hundreds, even thousands of dollars, or in some cases ruining the items altogether, because they thought they were increasing their value by "cleaning them up".

My advice, if you want the knife to have the highest possible sale value among serious collectors, leave it as is with the grease on.
 
Nice n thanks for your kind reply.
There are "holes" in collections.
Some enjoy the original in near mint fighting knife. Look at and handle and keep them from rust.
Oil them wipe with soft cloth......
Then there is a hole to be filled.
Get one that is wrapped up in paper cocmoline, unused unissued.
It isn't able to be touched and seen.


So, about a cleaned knife vs a mint uncleand knife....
Are there going to be tells?
Can one resell a knife bought "as never cleaned, all original" yet in reality it is cleaned say professionally?

I'd guess that serious collectors must be both on the hunt and aware of these knives.
 
Nice n thanks for your kind reply.
There are "holes" in collections.
Some enjoy the original in near mint fighting knife. Look at and handle and keep them from rust.
Oil them wipe with soft cloth......
Then there is a hole to be filled.
Get one that is wrapped up in paper cocmoline, unused unissued.
It isn't able to be touched and seen.


So, about a cleaned knife vs a mint uncleand knife....
Are there going to be tells?
Can one resell a knife bought "as never cleaned, all original" yet in reality it is cleaned say professionally?

I'd guess that serious collectors must be both on the hunt and aware of these knives.
When an antique knife/weapon/whatever is cleaned or restored or worked on in any way by a professional, there is paperwork to accompany the item which indicates who did the work, and exactly what work was performed. The entire matter is documented and can be confirmed by contacting the person who did the work (they keep meticulous records).

I don't recall all the different "levels" and how they are defined in the antiques world, or the exact terminology, but there are several different levels of value depending on condition. For example, there is "factory original", which is the exact condition the item was in when it left the factory, including the shipping container (box, crate), packing material, paperwork, etc.

And then there's "as issued", which is the condition the item was in when it was issued to a soldier.

And then there are various levels of "cleaned" and "used".

Serious collectors, the ones who are willing to pay the most money, know all the different levels and how they will affect the items value. The closer the item is to "factory original" the more valuable the item is and the more they are willing to pay. The exception to that is if it can be proven to a reasonable degree that the item was present at a historical event/battle, or that it was carried/used by a person of historical significance, and in some cases someone who was not regarded as significant.

As far as your knife, I would suggest getting it appraised and documented by a professional. That way if you advertise it for sale somewhere you can provide a description that will be regarded as accurate by serious collectors. Serious collectors won't just take your word for it when it comes to your description of it's condition. And if the way you describe the item isn't accurate to the world of serious antique weapons collectors, they might think that you are trying to pull one over on them and steer clear of you (like if you describe it as "mint", and the condition is not what "mint" actually means).

There are a lot of fakes and crooks in the world of antique weapons, it's no different than the world of sports memorabilia, and serious collectors tend to be a very suspicious bunch. The best way to satisfy their suspicion is to obtain a documented appraisal from a professional appraiser with a solid reputation.
 
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