Could you make it with just your knife?

I like the show on discovery called "I shouldn't be alive". I can only think of one episode that involved self rescue. That show is interesting because you know in advance the person survives but see just how many elemental things are beyond their control, even when they have great equipment. There are bear attacks, swept out to sea, fell down a cliff and broke a leg, etc... These are survival situations. What we all to often think of as "survival" is usually just an annoying outing that didn't go as planned.
 
Right on, man. Good post. The part I bolded is VERY important and often overlooked.

People always talk about these hypothetical survival situations as if they are going to be snaring animals or hunting and with hand made bow, making friction fires, and sleeping on beds of evergreen inside a debris shelter. It's a very romanticized and unrealistic image.

The truth is, that great fantasy of surviving on the land will never happen unless you go out into the woods with the intention of doing it.

A real survival situation is the one where you slipped down a cliff because your pack was (ironically enough) loaded too heavy with 'survival' gear and you weren't sure footed enough to handle the trail, and break a leg. Or the time when you swing your axe around a bit too carelessly and plunge it into your thigh. Or even just the time when the weather suddenly turns for the worse and you are stuck in a total white out snow storm, and soaking wet, with night approaching quickly.

Those are real survival situations. Your snare wire and fire piston ain't gonna do shit for you when that happens.

When I bring new people backpacking with me, and they ask me what the most important item to bring is, do you know what I tell them? It's not a knife. No, I tell them to bring a good, waterproof rain jacket and knowledge of first aid. That is what will save your life in the real world. It might not be as romantic as a blade, but it's the truth.

Building fire and shelter is out of the question when you fall and hit your head, unable to even see straight. Putting your raincoat on and crawling under a log for the night, on the other hand, isn't. You wont be warm, you wont be comfortable, but with a raincoat you will stay reasonably dry. Being wet is what causes hypothermia. Hypothermia is what causes death.

edit: of course, when its -20 out and you don't have fire, you're dead anyway. so don't hit your head, and handle that axe with caution! :)

Ya know I never thought of it that way, but I am trained in first aid, and I always bring my gortex with me (because I live in WA). All in all that is a good advice, having the knowledge and proper clothing is key to surviving in any situation.
 
Some great talk going on here, I really should have titled this one, can you make it with just what is on your person.
What I mean is, the things you stash in pockets or on your belt. The things that would be very difficult to loose.

It started in my head as the idea of "just a knife" and the. When I got thinking about, I realized I would never have just a knife as I stash things on me as a safeguard if I were to loose my pack.

The area I go venturing in for a weekend trip is the high sierras, a far cry from what most people consider so cal. The weather and terrain up there can get challenging.
 
it's around -1 Fahrenheit where i'm at now. i actually just used my tactool to get my porch door open. it was frozen shut. hah. wow. nipply out there. really takes your breath away. with just a knife? i'd be in a world of hurt pretty quick in those temps. might have to gut a car, and set it on fire just to get started ;) then use that to keep a shelter warm elsewhere ;)
 
Downtown?
Probably...
Any place else?
I was thinking about this yesterday.
Answer: Wouldn't ever, ever be there in the first place with "just a knife" (we already live in the snow at 7000 ft).
It's not like you just drop out of the sky.
There's a whole list of stuff that rides year round in the car.
When it's time for snowshoeing in the woods, well, we're loaded for bear.
Not that we couldn't get by with just a knife...

:cool:

pete
 
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That single tree lasted all night long. It took me about 7 or 8 minutes to chop it down with a sub-20" axe. This is why I carry my axe even on dayhikes. A knife, saw, or even machete is not as capable as an axe when it comes to my survival needs. I wish people didn't take what they see on youtube (from a particular gear reviewer whose name I wont mention) so seriously. The axe has somehow gained a reputation to be too much weight and bulk for too little versatility. I hate it. It's untrue.

Sorry for the long post!

Thank you for the pics and the post. I found them to be truly enjoyable & as a fellow NW coaster I get what you mean about our weather. Since becoming a member on this forum I, like others have totally changed my outlook/knowledge and equipment. My most recent addition to my SAK, fixed blade combo is my new GB SFA - for some of the very reasons you mention.
 
Your snare wire and fire piston ain't gonna do shit for you when that happens.

When I bring new people backpacking with me, and they ask me what the most important item to bring is, do you know what I tell them? It's not a knife. No, I tell them to bring a good, waterproof rain jacket and knowledge of first aid. That is what will save your life in the real world. It might not be as romantic as a blade, but it's the truth.

It might not be manly but everyone has a cell phone and that is the most important survival tool I will likely use. It isn't cool and I don't own one but the SPOT beacons are no doubt a good idea.

Lol, it is funny. If you tip your kayak in cold water and barely make it to shore I doubt any fire making device without some ready tender will be able to get you warm and dry quick enough.
 
NothingCoherant, great post! That is what I was looking for!!

In your AO a knife won't cut it, do you keep the axe on your belt? Or is it strapped to your pack?

A knife will work for me in all the places I regularly go.

And this wasn't meant as a "I can take my knife anywhere and be fine" thread. Absolutely not! I'd be screwed in the bitter cold of the north, and likewise in the nasty heat of the desert( although I'd stand a better chance in the desert as I'm familiar with it). This is more geared towards your regular haunts
 
It might not be manly but everyone has a cell phone and that is the most important survival tool I will likely use. It isn't cool and I don't own one but the SPOT beacons are no doubt a good idea.

Lol, it is funny. If you tip your kayak in cold water and barely make it to shore I doubt any fire making device without some ready tender will be able to get you warm and dry quick enough.

Strikeforce and some wetfire tinder and you'll have a fire in no time. That is what I carry. :)
 
Not me man, I'd at least need some sterile gauze and some 30 weight ball bearings in addition to the knife.

...and I'm gonna need 'bout ten quarts of anti-freeze, preferably Prestone. No, no make that Quaker State.
:D


Great thread here. I'm reading my eyes out.
 
NothingCoherant, great post! That is what I was looking for!!

In your AO a knife won't cut it, do you keep the axe on your belt? Or is it strapped to your pack?

A knife will work for me in all the places I regularly go.

And this wasn't meant as a "I can take my knife anywhere and be fine" thread. Absolutely not! I'd be screwed in the bitter cold of the north, and likewise in the nasty heat of the desert( although I'd stand a better chance in the desert as I'm familiar with it). This is more geared towards your regular haunts

When I'm hiking in to an area I keep my axe on my pack for comfort. You might be able to make out the axe strapped to the bag in this pic:

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Once I've established a base camp somewhere, my axe lives on my belt. Most of the camp chores that we normally do with a knife I just do with my axe; I keep it sharp enough to act as a knife. It's nice to have it on hand at all times. I've skinned rabbit with an axe before just to see if I could do it :cool:

Here's a couple more pics from one of my camp sites last fall. This is prime axe country!

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Lately I've been pairing my axe with an Eskabar with great success, thanks to recommendation on this forum :D With those two tools and a firesteel, I'd do alright through a cold night. A bit of tinder makes things infinitely easier as well!

The nice thing about living in my environment is that you don't have to worry about poisonous creepy crawlies, and for the most part water is safe to drink straight from its source. Plus there's water literally everywhere. I couldn't handle a desert environment... dehydration while trying to dodge snakes and scorpions doesn't seem like a nice way to go!
 
If water is around, yes in the short term. I am currently reading some of the books that I got for xmas. One is dedicated to food and medicinal plants of the Canadian Boreal Forest. I'm learning which plants were used as last ditch survival foods by the natives here, inner tree barks etc. Other than that I have always been of the view that if i was in a crap situation like that, I deserved it for my suck planning\preparedness. Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. Every one of and I mean EVERY one of my outdoor knives has a fire kit, either in the pouch or taped on. Dipped cotton balls, fat wood, Firesteels etc. Even my recent Eskabar arrival has a firesteel zip tied to it. If I'm stuck alone in the bush with nothing but my knife, I KNOW that I have firemaking tools with it.
 
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