COUNTRYBOY ---BEWARE

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Vermonster

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I just had a transaction with this individual that made me an offer and if I responded he was going to put the money directly in my Paypal account upon reply. While I was sending him my response he got what he stated was a " better deal" after I confronted the unethical behavior and sent a copy of the Forums sale rules it seemed to get turned around with comments like "Now I feel glad the transaction did not take place because I have the sneaking suspicion that I may have been getting screwed" and then telling me how much one of my knives for sale is a piece of junk with out even handling it. This forum is not EBAY. To my understanding when you give someone your word that should wiegh more than the money or knife your sending.

NUFF SAID



[This message has been edited by Vermonster (edited 11-06-2000).]
 
I understand your frustration. This place isn't EBAY, but people are always looking to get the best deal, whether buying or selling. It's unfortunate when someone commits, then says "oh, I found a better deal."

On the bright side, at least you're not out any money and you still have your knife. It could have been a whole lot worse if you sent the knife, then he told you he didn't want it.

~Mitch

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Gentlemen:
The only thing I could contribute here about Countryboy is that he did send an offer for a Project 1 I had for sale/trade. He did send a lower offer and I send him an email to confirm acceptance giving name, address, etc. Next day he informed he he was unable to make the deal due to an unexpected emergency (we've all had those from time to time). Sometimes its even "cold feet". Doesn't matter as he responded within a reasonable length of time to me for me to go forward with other bidders. (it was disappointing however). I think maybe he's just a young fellow that gets caught up with the art of the deal and reality later sets in. If this is a trend with this fellow, then he should be here. But if he's new and has gotten off to a bad start, then maybe we need to hear from some guys that had favorable trades or purchases from him. Okay! Who's out there? sound-off!

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Guys,
Not all deals are going to pan out as expected. This is a reality we have to accept. No deal is closed until money is in hand and delivery is complete. I have actually had better experience with people following through on e-bay than I have here.
 
This forum seems to thrive on "gentlemens agreements". I think that is what makes it so great. I have had the pleasure of meeting some very high caliber people through my dealings here. A mans word reflects on his honor and that's good enough for me, until proven otherwise. Maybe someone should educate Countryboy to the ways of the Blade Forums. If he still persists in his ways, then don't do business with him. Just my .02

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"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends" John 15:13

Mike
 
Originally posted by pescador:
Guys,
I have actually had better experience with people following through on e-bay than I have here.
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Perhaps because E-Bay's feedback system is better. People tend to be a little more careful when they leave tracks.

 
If this thread is in reference to the Socom F/S posted by countryboy, than the fact that no price is listed for the item is a big part of the problem and leads to a "highest bidder" type scenario like E-Bay only less structured. The F/S F/T forum is not an auction!

Asking prices should be listed to avoid such problems.

recoil
 
Tangus the reason he did not buy my Shadow1 is because he said he bought a Project1 for 100.00 cheaper. His reply was "thats the way buisness goes sometimes."
 
Yup, when we're dealing with a sale, purchase, or a trade many states or even countries away, honesty, and our "word" is just about all we have...Sometimes it's simple blind trust. We ALL must be honest, and deal with eachother fairly, or it just won't work!

I value MY good reputation here on BladeForums, and will NEVER rip-off ANYONE or mis-represent myself or a knife/product that I'm trying to sell or trade.!.
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Dann Fassnacht
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Amen to that Glockman !
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"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends" John 15:13

Mike
 
All right, I guess Vermonster is not going to let this die.
First of all, there was no "transaction" as Vermonster put it. I made an offer to Vermonster for his knives and included the statement "I can send you funds via Paypal". This statement was made to inform Vermonster of the method of payment I intended to use if the transaction took place (pending his approval). I never made the statement "I will send you payment". There is a big difference between saying you can do something and you will do something. Keep in mind I never sent conformation that I was sending payment, never sent payment, and never sent my address to get him to send me the aforementioned knives. All of this took place in a few hours, not days. I did not "string him along" nor did I make any excuses for not proceeding with the transaction. In the approximate six hours I was out of the house I received a number of emails. One of them was from a dealer that I buy from on a regular basis. He had been away from his computer because of a knife show he was attending. In response to an earlier email he told me that he could trade one of his friends for a brand NIB Project I and sell it to me for $250.00. Brand new! If you check Vermonster's post for his knives you will see that the "Sorry" post I made was entered at 8:54PM. Like I have stated earlier, I had sent him an offer via email a few hours earlier with no response. I posted on the forum to tell him he had mail on an offer. You can also see that Vermonster had put his knives back up for sale by 10:27PM. No funds or final sale information other than the knife descriptions and my offer and cancellation of offer had changed hands at this point. I cotacted my dealer (a person I have learned to trust in knife matters) with the details of the deal I had just turned down. He told me the Rekat that Vermonster was trying to throw into the deal was a piece of junk. I now regret making such a rude statement to Vermonster about his knife, but I was upset with the fact that he listed his knives as being a "good wilderness/survival set-up" just to hear the Rekat is such a "piece of junk" that my dealer is sending me the sales-sample Rekat he has in his shop FREE OF CHARGE. It was a bold statement about the quality of the knife Vermonster offered to sell me.
There are a few other things that I would like to get off my chest about my correspondence with Vermonster. If you read his original post it states "Buy the Reeve Shadow I and receive a Rekat Pioneer 2.. ..free". Good deal, right? When I informed him that I had seen the Shadow I for sale on a dealer website for $350.00 NIB he changed his story. "It's a two knife deal", he said. O.K.? Also, when I had originally contacted Vermonster, I had asked him if both of the knives were NIB. He repLIED "yes".I then asked him if he could please send me some photos of his knives. He sent me a photo of the Rekat, but failed to send a photo of the Shadow I. I asked again if he could send me a photo of the Shadow I. He then sent me a photo depicting what seemed to be a Shadow I in new condition and a "modified" sheath. I emailed him back to ask him if he had carried the knife. "Oh, it has just been played with", he said. He changes his story again. That does not live up to my definition of NIB. When I made the comment about feeling like I might be getting "screwed" in the deal, I was referring to the attitude I was getting from Vermonster. All of the respectable people I have purchased knives from online have always "backed up" their promises with the fact that they would take the knife back in the event that the knife was not delivered as described. Vermonster acted angry, confrontational, and verbally abusive- leading me to believe had I sent payment and been dissatisfied with the condition of the knives, it would have been "too bad" for me. His first priority was getting his hands on $350.00, not completing a transaction that was mutually beneficial. I have never been less than 100% satified with my omline purchases because I am cautious and and adhere to a "buyer beware" philosophy. I know that Ebay is not the same as the BladeForums. People are much more knowledgeable here than on Ebay. I'm new here and I know that many people on the forums have much more knowledge than I have. I did not make a comparison between Ebay and BladeForums. I simply made the statement to Vermonster that I had a 100% positive feedback rating on Ebay. Everyone reading this is free to review my Ebay feedback. My Ebay I.D. is clayfox@mindspring.com, which is also my email address. I have never had a negative experience buying or selling online, until now.
In response to Vermonster's emails:
I DO NOT APPRECIATE THE PROFANE LANGUAGE AND INSULTS YOU HAVE SENT TO MY EMAIL ADDRESS. MY WIFE USES THIS COMPUTER AS WELL. YOU SIR, ARE NO GENTLEMAN AND YOUR TALK OF HONOR IS FAR OUTWEIGHED BY YOUR ACTIONS.

Respectfully,
Clay Foxworth


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In you Email you wrote and I quote: "I can Paypal you the money upon your reply if you put the knives in the mail the next day".
I did reply and no money went to my account.
A quote from my Email to you
As far as profanity:" Please do not make judgements especialy going as far as taking poor shots at my integrity. My fine sir I forget more about integrety than you will obviously ever know. If you had any you would just come out and say you ****ed me instead of beating around the bush like a girl".
I will admitt that was not a good way to put it I apologize if it caused your family any dismay. But that does not change the facts.
By the way the SORRY post was edited. Why dont you tell everyone what it said before you edited the post.

[This message has been edited by Vermonster (edited 11-07-2000).]
 
Okay, no harm was done. Nothing was hurt except for some feelings. We know that neither of you will be doing business with each other again, and the rest of us who read this will make our own decisions according to our own judgement. The way we like to run the forums is for each man (or woman) to stand behind his (or her) word. There are no contracts or official procedures to follow or break. Every deal here is a gentleman's (gentlemen's?) agreement. Your word is all you have here, so stand by it. With that said, I think it's time to let this die, after all, what can anyone gain from it? No one owes anyone any money, no one owes anyone a knife. It was an unfortunate incident, the kind we all hope to avoid, and there's nothing else that needs to or can be done. You'll sell your knife to someone else, and you'll buy your knife from someone else, and there's no point in continuing the argument. For future reference, all parties involved, or potentially involved, in any deals here should clearly state what they have to say, and stand by what they have said.

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Jason aka medusaoblongata
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"I have often laughed at the weaklings who call themselves kind because they have no claws"

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I would let this die but there are a few things that I would like to address first.
The PIC of the Shadow did not fly because of a computing era. Nothing more nothing less.
When you notified me I sent it not trying to hide anything. As far as modified sheath you were aware before you stated you would purchase that I changed the laynards and wraped a piece of cord around the sheath. I told you that the originals would be placed back on. As far as being played with I should have stated HANDLED the knife has cut only air. The fact still remains that you were aware of all I stated way before you stated that you were going to purchase the knives. I have sold many knives and have had absolutly no complaints mostly positive remarks. As far as Im concerned those knives are a deal. If I was concerned with just money and screwing others Im shore it would have surfaced by now. As far as acting confrontational, yes only after you did not carry out your obligation but not before.
Please do not make me post every Email with my replys. If you fail to be honest I will confront it. Sorry it is my nature.
 
I realy do not think there is a person here who would let another make false statments on a public forum without addressing them.
 
I realy do not think there is a person here who would let another make false statments on a public forum without addressing them.

I have never had to do this and hope I never will again. I apologize for posting this on the for sale forum.
 
So is this the end of this thread or are we going to have more of this. I came to look at this thread because I was curious about the dispute, sounds like you two have a bit of a misundersatnding, but Vermonster, are you trying to make a living selling blades out of the BLadeforums? I have no problem with that, except the post at 4:07 am, which is maybe a little overkill considering the nature of the beast. Maybe you are up for work at that time, but I recall a thread on that other forum by a guy plaintively decrying the failure of society at 1:50 am, it looked to anyone who read it like the gyu lost his marbles.

Countryboy, we all make mistakes here, I have blown it, regarding a purchase, not my proudest moment and I am still trying to make good on another, but I can see where the misunderstanding came in, regarding the paypal. Still you are correct regarding the nature of the email sent your way. May I suggest differnt email for the knife business, MSN and Yahoo will give yuo free email. It prevents business from traveling over to the family. Additionally, you may always block any sender of email with most email programs.

Gentlemen, please remember, it is knives we are discussing. Vermonster is making at least part of his living doing this apparently, fine with me. I understand him being mad as hell, but the method for solution, work on it a bit. Knives are not a necessity, more of a luxury instead, and it is easy to get carried away in our discussion or in our desires. I myself and having a hard tie reconciling a Bagwell Bowie I had made. Still, they are only toys past the first or second. PLease remember that.

Please think about what you say here gentlemen, and especially in email. It could ruin either of your reputations immediately with one email sent in stupidity or without thought. I do differentiate between the two. Do not do business thru email while mad, as it amounts to making a rude phone call, easy to do, but not so easy to recall nor recant. It makes no difference to me if you wish to air your problems here, but it does make it harder for others to do business in a free market based solely on trust.

Parker
 
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