Court tomorrow AM, wish me luck!

Jim March

Jim March

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This is it, my lawsuit against my Sheriff over corrupt, illegal, biased and racist gun permit policies is on.

This is gonna be fun.

If you're interested, monitor events on the BF Politics forum, starting with this thread containing details, links to my brief, directions, notes, etc: http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/000326.html

Jim
 
Good luck Jim! If there were more folks like you and Richard Mack we wouldn`t have all these wacky gun laws to deal with. Kick some legal butt! Marcus

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Good Luck Jim!!
I certainly hope that you can bring some sense to the crazy world of CCW.
I don't believe that it's too hard to get a CCW Permit hre in Oklahoma and I have been considering getting one.I tink the initial cost is about $150.00 but not sure.
I do believe that there's 16 hours of "school" that you have to complete in order to have one.
After the 1st of the year it may become a reality for me.

One of the really stupid things here is that many businesses have a "No Weapons" policy.That is so stupid,because how are they gonna know if a person is carrying or not?
I Always Have a Knife o 2 on my person and I take them Everywhere.I cut up my roast beef at one of our favorite buffets a while back with my 10" Kumar Karda and no one even raised an eyebrow.
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Good luck Jim.

I never have understood all the paranoia etc. on weapons. As long as the person knows how and when to use it, I think anyone should be able to carry around any weapon they choose.
 
It didn't go so well. Not unfixable, just a massive delay. I still learned alot about how this crud works, and it was still cheaper than law school.

Not MUCH cheaper, but cheaper
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Yvsa, in 1996 Oklahoma and TX became the two newest "shall-issue" CCW states. That means that as long as you can pass the background check and are willing to do the training, you ARE going to get a permit. Questions about "why do you want it" are flat-out illegal. I'm not sure about the details, but in many shall-issue states it's possible for them to deny by having a cop submit a sworn statement to the effect of "this guy's a crook we haven't been able to catch yet" but they're seldom abused because the cop filing such is subject to perjury law.

I *wish* California was like that!

Now, 16 hours training may seem like a pain, but there's an advantage for you: since the training is as high as it gets, it raises the likelyhood that another shall-issue state will recognise your OK permit in a process known as "reciprocity". If you travel a lot to specific states, you need to use the master CCW database located at:
http://www.packing.org/

This will give details on the OK system including reciprocity. In some cases it's possible to apply for CCW to another state as a non-resident permitholder because yet another state you travel to recognises THAT one. Utah is very popular because you can get that permit with no travel to Utah and it's recognized by other states that an OK permit might not cover.

Anyways. It may seem like a pain, but even if you don't carry daily I STRONGLY recommend getting the permit. You literally never know when it might come in handy, and you sure as hell won't know in advance
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Bill, NV is also shall-issue although they don't do reciprocity. That old Smith model 10 wouldn't be a half-bad little packin' piece for when you're doing cash handling or hauling a big load of nice Khukuris
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Anyways...for details on what happened today, see the thread in Politics with the wormhole link above.

Jim
 
Bill, a 2" .38Spl K-Frame Smith would make a FINE carry gun. Don't disparage that old piece, it's a fine respectable critter that can still solve most civilian defense problems.

Jim
 
Uncle Bill, let me second what Jim said. I've got a *bunch* of autos. Lovely for appropriate circumstances.

But when I'm half asleep, and don't have a clue whats going on, when I need to focus on what is happening, not how I make this darn thing work, it's a fixed sight 2" to 4" double action revolver I want in my hand.

And by the way:
Have you heard that the ( insert ethnicity ) army has developed the ultimate individual weapon for it's soldiers? An atomic hand grenade with a total destruction radius of 1/4 mile. It can be thrown up to 40 yards.



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Uncle Bill, that ol' S&W is a fine piece. As a deputy sheriff, I'm allowed to carry either a .357 revolver (with Plus P ammo) or the new auto .45, and I opt for the revolver. I'm one of the few deputies to carry the old S&W wheel gun, but I'm also one of the oldest deputies still patrolling, though I don't do much of it anymore -- I'm semi-retired. And with years of experience I've seen what extreme stress can do to even the most well-trained cop, and I'm convinced that the simpler the firearm, the better. The advantage of the autos is that they offer more firepower. But, the way I figure it, if my duty revolver, back-up snubnosed 38, and 12 gauge pump shotgun ain't enough firepower, I need to get the hell out of there anyway, at least until I get reinforcements.
 
Hi Uncle,

Hold onto that pistol! Those things are a piece of history. (no pun intended)

My Grandmother has my Grandfather's Smith and Wesson .38 Military and Police, I think it is. I love that gun. Probably will come to me eventually, as I am the only grandson that likes guns. Each of the three Grandsons already received a 100-year-old double-barrel, damascus-barrel shotgun.

I should bring it back up to Indy and hang it on the wall with my Hanuman and 20" Sirupati!

Clay


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A little note of interest, perhaps, for Steven and our other leos both past and present. I bought the .38 from a former policeman who had retired from the Peoria, IL PD in 1957. He had carried it for 20 or 30 years so I figure it is about my age give or take a little. Can anybody tag the date from the SN?

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If I recall correctly, the S&W historian is Roy Jinks. I bet a note to S&W with the serial number would get an answer from him.
 
Jinks is retired.

S&W also is supposed to now charge an arm and a leg to check out a serial number and write you a letter.

Go to the Firing Line and ask, giving all but the last 2 or 3 digits of the SN. Use X's for those digits. Example: 89415XX or 8941XXX.

I'll bet there's someone with a copy of Jink's book, or other reference material that'll have an answer for you in very short order.

Oh, and does it read .38 S&W or .38 S&W Spl. on the barrel?

PS: it's better to know when and how to get-the-heck-out-of-Dodge than it is to be well armed, but best of all is to be well armed and a couple counties away when the festivities commence to happenin'.

And don't forget Al Capone's observation that " It's easier to persuade someone with a friendly smile and a gun, than with just a friendly smile."


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