Coyote SD Question

Here is my suggestion on how to use it effectively.

If attacked by a dog or coyote, wrap your shirt around your left arm, taunt it until it bites your arm and when it latches on, cut it's F'n throat. Then skin it as a trophy.

Carl-
 
RescueRiley said:
coyote attacks on people are ridiculously rare... (1 of the reasons why they get sommmuch publicty when they occurr) you have much more likliehood beng attacked by another person on the trail, or having a tree limb fall on you....
a knife would be my abso;ute last choice as a weapon...in any encounter withi an animal.. a heavy walking stick...in tandem with pepper or bear spray is about right?
I'd also spend some time lookking at statistics of coyote attacks... and contributing factors.. things you might make you or your dog less of a target..knowledge is still the best weapon
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Maybe in your area but here in BC along various trails in North Vancouver for example they happen almost monthly. The coyote population is exploding.
In the east of Canada we have had two reports that made national newspapers on coyotes stalking/attacking people SINCE that young singer was killed by coyotes a few months ago

A friend of mine in Langely had his small dog attacked by coyotes about 2 weeks ago, but it survived. He lives on 6 acres and is worried about his granchildren
 
stalking/attacking??... One or the other or both..there is a differenceand peoples interpretations of an encounter can vary greatly (if I catch a cote cheking me out from a distance, that doesn;t quantify a stalking in my mind..but might for others) and a small dog is different than a human..what happened to that Folks singer girl was a tragedy, but also a rarity as stated by the Canadian Wildlife biologists in this article
on the issue
http://www.canada.com/technology/Coyote+attacks+humans+extremely+rare+Experts/2156288/story.html

Not Trying to be difficult.. and I agree Coyotes are cause for some concern... take basic precautions and enjoy yourself.
 
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I think it pays to pay attention when your out walking trails. If your out jogging with your IPOD on and earbuds in, your basically unaware that a coyote or a small pack might be stalking you. You'll get nipped from behind and possibly then attacked or one will come up behind you and grab your leashed dog and take off. I've seen a dog snatching with my own eyes and was amazed. Broad daylight too!

About a month ago I shared a fire with someone I met out hiking. He is in the same area pretty much year round cleaning up garbage, clearing deadwood and enjoying time in the woods. Twice he was stalked walking thru the area, once at night and once in daylight and always from behind.
He now carries a piece of steel rebar with a ski pole handle on it. It really is a great hiking aid but more importantly it will knock a dog or coyote silly and if needed can impale either as the tip is somewhat of a spike after a little work.

Here's a picture (and some audio) walking out of the same area at night and a minute later the coyotes giving me the creeps after they heard me.

Heading in late day.

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Heading out with headlamp and a flash shot. Tracks on my path.

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What I heard very close as i was heading out.

 
I'm not scared of coyotes and they live in my frontyard practically. Hell, if my yard cats can live amonst them and successfully not die then so can you big alpha dog woodsmen :). BTW, saw some awesome coyote scat in the middle of my nieghbors drive way the other day. It was cool because the rain had washed away some of the pooh and part of a turkey feather was "branching" back out :). Should have photo'd it but played scatalogist instead...

these guys have more to fear...

 
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Honestly I have never had any fear of coyotes, and have lived with them in close proximity all of my life. In fact Monday was a really shitty day until I was walking home from dropping off the car at the mechanics and crouched and watched a bitch for about 10 minutes behind somebody's house in my neighbourhood. My neighbour had recently told me that they had seen one and to watch out for our kids. I loved watching her eating frozen apples. She acknowledged that I was there and kept a close eye on me but continued doing what she was doing. To me that showed that she was wary of humans and not too tamed by us either. With the great number of rabbits around (on saturday there were 12 in the neighbours front lawn), and the really good shape of her pelt and overall fitness I am not worried about any attacks yet. MAybe it is because Edmonton is a very rural city and we always have rabbits, coyotes and deer in the city that it is no big deal. When we moved into our house 6 years ago a brown bear walked down the highway right into the city- I would have been more wary of him though!

I would carry the hiking stick (Crawford survival staff is mine) and bear spray if you feel like it, and then get a good EDC that can double as a SD if need be, carry it until you can operate (open, cut, close, put away) it without thinking and I think you will be on your way- as long as you are used to having the knife it will be faster and easier to use in case you need it.

My 2 cents only.
 
if you are talking about a single coyote attacking you,i wouldnt worry about it. if you are talking about a single coyote atacking your dog or if a pack was to attack you and your dog, i would say carry a good folder as backup if you cant carry a fb,but my number 1 weopon as mentioned already would be a good heavy hiking stick. you can easily kill a coyote with one as they are not big animals and a strong blow to the back of the head will do plenty of damage,more likely kill it
 
The big stick is no problem for me, I use a walking stick 100 percent of the time while off road. I want no part of fighting a coyote with a knife, about the only coyote that would come after a human would most likely be Rabid.

I was out checking the horses last week and there is a coyote living in the horse barn with the horses. The snow is so deep that they can't really get around to hunt and stuff. I suppose he is finding mice and rabbits around the barn. He stays well clear of the horses feet.:)
 
for your walking sticks, you can get steel tips for when you are walking on ice, that also has a rubber boot that fits over the bottom. you can stand on the edge and pop it off if you want.
 
I own part of a wheat farm in eastern Washington that my wife's cousin runs. We go hunting there every year. He has lost several big dogs (two German Shepards, one pit, plus several labs) to coyotes. Coyotes gang up. He has losts dozens of cats (good he says). His dogs stay outside at night. Being a wheat farmer he never used to shot coyotes (they do eat mice, etc.), but he is tired of them coming right into his yard to attack his dogs and cats and chickens and the pheasants he raises. Now he carries a .17 rem on his tractor.
While we do have a problem in Vancouver, Wa. with coyotes starting to bother people, domestic dogs running wild are FAR more of a problem. A member of our SWAT team and father of one of my scouts had to shoot 19 dogs in one pack at one time. All had collars w/ tags. Owner's did not have a clue what fido was doing.
I have carried a large walking stick for years. I have a CWP for in the woods, but on the streets in suburbia I think the stick is adequate.
 
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Contrary to popular consensus Coyotes normaly live in groups but hunt alone... THe Nova scotia incident was an exception where Biologists theorize that the coyotes where coryote wolf hybrids which might have inspires a pack huntin mentality in them...but this is very uncommon
 
I was under the impression that they hunt alone in summer or may be in a very small group or just a pair with pups but that in winter, these loners or small packs band together to make hunting easier and winter less stressful for all.
Around here in summer I've only seen single lone coyotes out hunting. In winter I see small packs out in local fields working together flushing mice and rabbits.
 
stabman said:
Which will get you arrested here if you're carrying it.;)
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BS

Sword Canes ARE legal in Canada if OVER 12" in length

Please refer to page 37 part 3 section 10 of Canada Customs document D19-13-2-e.pdf
http://www.knifezone.ca/d19-13-2-e.pdf

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stabman said:
Originally Posted by mk77
is a longer collapsible baton an option?

Not according to any cops I've talked to; they all said they'd arrest someone for carrying one, even if they said it was for protection against dogs.
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In the same document, a collapsible ASP type baton is ok, as long as it is not spring deployed, or has a spring whip type tip.

Stabman, you've got to stop getting your legal advice from cops
 
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canadiantrailman said:
Where I live, coyotes are becoming more prevalent on trails within the city and are killing small dogs. Since I hike with my dog I do have some concern with this but since these are trails within the city limits I only carry folders instead of fixed blades.

What would be your recommendations for an animal SD folder in this case? Would you want something that slices in the event a coyote approached or would you want a stout, strong blade that would have piercing ability. I guess the question is do you go for the throat with a slice or a vital organ with a pierce?

My first options are obviously to attempt to scare them off, or give them a hard kick with a hiking boot, or perhaps use my bear spray. But, if these fail and there are more than one coyotes approaching, then other options must be considered. In the news this evening, a lady walking on a trail just north of the city lost her pomeranian to coyotes.

Appreciate your recommendations, thanks. As a matter of interest, about two weeks ago while driving on city streets at 6:45am my wife and I saw a coyote walking down the sidewalk while it was still dark. This was in a neighborhood not in the bush.

In the woods it would of course be a different situation with my Trailmaster.
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In Texas, we just use guns. Since that may not be an option for you in Canada, I would agree that pepper (bear) spray would be highly effective. Mind the wind direction however, or you may find yourself on the receiving end of your pepper spray.

It is highly unlikely that a 'yote would stalk a human. Even in a pack, I don't see it happening. Rabies or starvation could change the equation to your detriment.

It's your dog they want. Fido = meal to them. I know this from first hand experience. A hungry pack of 'yotes came up to our home and a female 'baited' my 105 lb Golden Retriever some yards away from the house. The others pounced... the ensuing chaos (noise) alerted me. Being armed, I fired several shots in the air to disperse the gang of 'yotes. If you have ever seen a dog fight, you will understand that a shot into the brawl would have just as likely killed my dog as any of the offenders. It worked and my dog survived the attack.

I kill them on sight, now. They have demonstrated themselves to be a threat, and I will not tolerate that behavior.
 
A knife being bad for SD is bad advise in itself unless you have NO skill with your blade. I personally would take a knife before a stick, working cable for 2 years taught me a lot about aggressive animals and from my experience a stick would be useless because of how slow they can be and how amazingly fast a four legged animal can be. Animals can also take a beating that would put most people down for the count, another reason IMO that a stick would be a not so good choice.
 
having sparred knife against stick..(Metal training blade vs rattan with padded gear)... the mild concussion and the broken nos I sustained can testify... the range that a stick gives in the hands of an experienced user.. vs a trained knife user can be quite an advantage.
Granted animals are a different ball game... But If I can keep them fay away I'd prefer it...
 
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